Modern Catholics Discuss Liturgical Abuses in New Mass – You Just Couldn’t Make This Stuff Up…Honest!

Comment: 

This group takes too long to get into the discussion (at least five minutes) but once they get going, it’s very interesting indeed to hear them objecting to some of the very things which were defended and promoted by fellow-parishioners when some of us were doing the complaining.  It’s also interesting to see how the standards have shifted (mostly in a downward direction).  In the end, it dawns on Catholics who are truly thinking it all through, that there is no option but to move on to the traditional Mass – back to the future…  It seems clear that the growth is to be found where the traditional Latin Mass is being offered, so pray for the trio in the video. They obviously mean well.  I liked them as people – so much so that, but for the geography, I’d invite them out for Haggis and Neeps 😀

Anyway, in summary, below are the 15 things which the group in the video argue need to stop happening… or not;  there is some disagreement within the group which offers food for thought, not least because, notably, it is the priest [“Richard” or “Rich” as he seems to introduce himself] who does the disagreeing.  

Clapping (applause)

2 Too many Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion

3 Receiving from the Chalice (“cup”) when sick

4 Leaving seats at sign of peace to “share the peace” with people across the church

5 Socialising before (and after) Mass

6 Phone ringing 

7 Not donating

8 Leaving Mass early

9 Bad preaching (lack of “fire”, not inspiring or nourishing)  [worryingly, the priest in the video is open to laity, including women, preaching.)

10 Receiving Holy Communion in mortal sin

11 Dressing inappropriately – not dressing up for Mass

12 No sanctus bells 

13 Genuflecting to the altar when the Tabernacle is somewhere else

14 I couldn’t hear anything specific, but the conversation went on to discuss baptism/use of “lemonade” type jug  (If I’ve missed something, tell me in the comments…) 

15. Holding hands during Our Father

My own predominant  thought listening to the conversation was that any hope for the future in that diocese lies with the laity, as represented by the two lads on the video not the clergy, as represented by the [very nice and doubtless well-meaning]  priest in the video –  a manifestly modernist priest but one who likes Cardinal Ratzinger!  How much more confusing can this mess get! 

Share your thoughts – politely!  I’ll be posting the link to this thread on their YouTube channel, below the above video, to be precise., so don’t be too hard on these good souls, who are all far too young to have been taught the Faith properly.  They are typical New Catholics tailor made for the New Mass, the New Liturgy, the New Sacraments, the New Catechism, the New Rosary, the New Evangelisation, the New Morality, the New Politically Correct  Pontiff, the New Canonisations, the New Commandments (minus idolatry and adultery) … and the New – you name it.    

Pope Benedict: NO! To Married Priests – Shock Horror from “Vatican Experts”…

From the BBC website (emphasis added)…

Retired Pope Benedict XVI has issued a defence of priestly celibacy in the Catholic Church as his successor considers easing a ban on married men serving as priests.

Pope Benedict made the appeal in a book co-authored with Cardinal Robert Sarah.

It comes in response to a proposal to allow married men to be ordained as priests in the Amazon region.

Pope Benedict, who retired in 2013, said he could not remain silent on the issue.

In the book, Pope Benedict says celibacy, a centuries-old tradition within the Church, has “great significance” because it allows priests to focus on their duties.

The 92-year-old says “it doesn’t seem possible to realise both vocations [priesthood and marriage] simultaneously”.

It is rare for Pope Benedict, who was the first pontiff to resign in almost 600 years, to intervene in clerical matters.

The Vatican is yet to comment on the book, which was previewed in part by French newspaper Le Figaro before its full publication on Monday.

Vatican commentators have reacted with surprise to Benedict’s intervention, suggesting it breaks with convention.

“Benedict XVI is really not breaking his silence because he (and his entourage) never felt bound to that promise. But this is a serious breach,” Massimo Faggioli, a historian and theologian at Villanova University, tweeted.

The comments by Pope Benedict were described as “incredible” by Joshua McElwee, a journalist for the National Catholic Reporter… Twitter post by @joshjmac…

As I digest this, I’m realizing how incredible it is. A former pope speaking in public about something his successor is currently in the process of considering.  (118 7:17 PM – Jan 12, 2020) …

For many, celibacy is a key part of being a Catholic priest. A priest is supposed to be married to God and not be distracted by what some consider to be worldly concerns like a wife or a family.

For traditionalists, this is about the direction in which Pope Francis is taking the Church.

Some critics regard the idea of allowing married priests in the Amazon as a pretext to abolishing celibacy as a requirement altogether….
Click here to read entire BBC Report 

Comment: 

It’s downright hilarious to read the shocked comments of the alleged “Vatican experts/commentators” who speak of a “serious breach” and describe as “incredible” the fact that the previous Pope, Benedict XVI, should actually speak out to defend Catholic Tradition, in this case, the traditional teaching on celibacy.  Talk about “diabolical disorientation” – writ large!  Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us! 

Far from keeping silence and “obeying” this horrendous pope, Benedict should have spoken out a long time ago.  In fact, of course, he should not have resigned/abdicated in the first place.  He, as much as Pope Francis, will be called to account for the scandals, indeed the near destruction of the Church in human terms, in these times.  Both before and AFTER his resignation/abdication.  Better late than never, however, he is to be congratulated on this occasion.  Agreed? 

England: Synod To Discuss Women Priests…Inching Closer to Open Schism? 

One of our English bloggers emailed this report from Gloria TV

I then checked out the website of the Diocese of Liverpool to find out more about their Synod 2020

If the Gloria TV analysis is correct, then somebody needs to remind Archbishop McMahon that he has no authority whatsoever to “make decisions” about the ordination of women – he must uphold the Church’s prohibition.  But what if he doesn’t do that?  IS the Church in England – certainly in the Diocese of Liverpool – heading for a complete break with the Catholic Church, given that male-only ordination is a teaching which the Church has absolutely no authority to change?

The address from the Archbishop in the short video clip below, plus the comments from the priests and lay leaders reveals nothing new.  They talk for around 7 minutes and say nothing.  It’s all the usual generic posturing.  Buzz words abound, but nothing concrete is said.  They all want everyone to know they are “called and gifted by God” but don’t give any concrete examples about what they are all called and gifted to do. One of the priests mentions “catechising stuff” in passing but – again – without defining what that means.  Still, we all know what it most certainly does NOT mean – it doesn’t mean teaching the Faith entire and true; that Christ founded only one  Church to be the Ark of Salvation and that is the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church.   Below, the short video clip portrays the usual mix of confused but well-meaning laity and the totally clueless young priests, God help them.  No disrespect intended just, what they term these days, “speaking truth to power”…  😀 

Comments invited…  

Ireland: Papolatrist Priest Under Fire For “Attacking” Pope Francis – At Last!

Below, extracts from Fr Thaddeus Doyle’s January editorial, in The Curate’s Diary

Some years ago, this priest launched a series of articles attacking Fatima priest, Father Nicholas Gruner, RIP,  to which Catholic Truth (and the Fatima Center) responded vigorously. Click here to read an Open Letter to Fr Thaddeus Doyle from Christopher Ferrara, correcting his false statements about Fr Gruner and the  Consecration of Russia, and highlighting his adherence to the Medjugorje hoax.

As you will see below, Fr Doyle has now come to the point of feeling the need to criticise Pope Francis.  Yet here he attacks Archbishop Vigano for doing precisely the same thing…   He is one very mixed-up clergyman. Pray for him.

From Fr Doyle’s current, January, editorial…

Faithful Friend,

Thank you from the depths of my heart for your continued loyalty to the Curate’s Diary in these difficult times.

I especially thank those who have continued to promote the Curate’s Diary despite many people objecting to its contents, and sometimes despite being insulted for promoting it.

Our circulation has indeed suffered greatly as a result of my coverage of recent events in the Church. Indeed since I began the series on Pope Francis and the problems in the heart of our Church, our circulation has dropped by 850 and is still dropping. About half of that is as a result of these articles. There has also been a knock-on effect on other aspects of my ministry also, including the loss of speaking engagements.

Why then do I not turn a blind eye to what I perceive as problems in the Church?

…Indeed when problems first began to arise in relation to Pope Francis, I too didn’t want to know. I even tried to block some things out of my consciousness. One such incidence happened while Cardinal Muller was still head of the Congregation for the Doctrine and Faith.

One morning when Cardinal Muller was celebrating Mass, his secretary got a phone call from Pope Francis who insisted on speaking to Cardinal Muller immediately. His secretary explained that Cardinal Muller was celebrating Mass. Pope Francis still insisted that he wanted to speak to him. Immediately! To interrupt the Mass!

Naturally Cardinal Muller wasn’t happy, but his secretary explained that he had already told Pope Francis that he was celebrating Mass, but yet Pope Francis wanted to speak to him. Now!

Had it been me, I would not have left the altar regardless of who was on the phone.

Every morning, if it is possible, I spend 30 minutes before Mass seeking to prepare my mind and heart for the celebration of Mass.

I cannot comprehend any cleric or indeed any person interrupting Mass or any ceremony for a phone-call.

How can one possibly put one’s mind and heart into celebrating the Mass if one is interrupted in the middle of it to answer the phone?

To me to interrupt Mass in this way is grave matter:- grave matter in lack of reverence and respect for the Mass, and also grave matter in this case because it involved the abuse of power.

When I heard what had happened, I was shocked, but I pushed this incident and other troubling incidents out of my mind, and got on with life, supporting Pope Francis and challenging his critics. However eventually things happened which I could not push out of my mind any longer.

I am a firm believer in the teaching of Jesus as we find it in the New Testament.

As years have gone by, my eyes have been opened more and more to the wisdom, truth and beauty of every word that the New Testament records Jesus as having said.

It is for me a real proof that Jesus was truly God. How otherwise could he have come up with such amazing and revolutionary teaching? 

Jesus is, as He said, the Way, the Truth and the Life. And as He also said, ³Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice.² There is a sense in which a person hasn’t totally met Jesus if he or she isn’t guided by His teaching.

Regardless of the cost, I will stand for the teaching of Jesus. Publicly! Given my own love for Jesus, given my belief that his teaching is the true word of God, staying silent when a leading Church figure speaks or acts in a way that is contrary to the teaching of Jesus, is not an option. [Editor:  yet, when the “Lady” of Medjugorje does just that, he has no problem with it.]

Naturally it saddens me when we lose readers. But I am only losing readers – not my life.

Spiritually it is not a bad thing to suffer some small loss for the sake [of] Jesus. It means that one is putting Jesus before self.

There is, however, a sad side to it as well. My life is totally dedicated to leading people to a living relationship with Jesus, and the fewer readers we have, the fewer people I can help in their spiritual journey. I can only trust that one day, Jesus will in some way use my witness for the good His kingdom.

Ironically, but thankfully, one reason so many people have a difficulty with the Pope being criticised is that we have had outstanding popes for so long. [Editor: emphasis added, as I try to keep a straight face].

If people had a better knowledge of Church history, they would not have near as many scruples about a Pope being challenged

Yours, in Christ, Thaddeus Doyle (Rev)

To read the entire editorial, visit  Source – Jesus Power Ministries

Comment…

The very title of this priest’s site gives a flavour of his “ministry” –  which is that of any Protestant preacher. Appeals to “the Spirit”,  to building “a relationship with  Jesus” along with references to the “Gospel” as distinct from the Church, feature in his writings, which, arguably, lack the Catholic ethos.  That aside, however, what are your thoughts about Fr Thaddeus Doyle’s conversion to criticising Pope Francis? Might it lead to greater things?   If you have any stories of similar “conversions”,  of priests shedding their papolatry to condemn the scandals caused by Pope Francis, let us know. 

Importantly, too, consider what moves a priest like Fr Doyle to speak out, albeit better late than never, in the matter of the scandalous words and behaviour of Pope Francis?  Is it, thinkest thou, the above sentiment from Our Lady – is it because they come to a realisation that they must put God and His Truth above loyalty to any individual pontiff?  If not… what then?  

Scots Bishop Excommunicates Critics of Pope Francis – Is Catholic Truth Next?

Bishop Brian McGee, 54, of Argyll and The Isles, Scotland, excommunicated a group of hermits on Westray Island, reports Deacon Nick Donnelly on Twitter.

The excommunication was notified on Christmas Eve by mail.

The group consists of Father Stephen de Kerdrel, Sister Colette Roberts and Brother Damon Kelly who, in the past, was arrested ten times for criticising homosexuality and abortion.

The reason for the excommunication was a declaration published in summer on the hermits’ website calling Francis “a great heretic” and stating that “never in history has there been such a Pope, who by his actions, words, and teaching, has thrown the whole Church into confusion.”

The hermits declaration therefore withdraw “our obedience from Pope Francis and sever communion with the Holy See.”   © Nick Donnelly, #newsSxxgfrdnaj

Source – with full declaration included… 

Comment: 

Ignore the headline!  Catholic Truth is highly unlikely to be excommunicated because, unlike those hermits, we recognise that we do not possess the authority to pronounce on the Pope in this way;  we recognise, rather, that this pontificate is but the latest suffering for us, in this ever-worsening Church crisis.  Much patience, along with much penance and prayer is needed to see us through this crisis. Pray for the Pope, highlight and correct his shocking errors, and then wait for the judgment of the Church in due course.  Unless he publicly and massively repents, there’s no doubt that he will be anathematized by the Church authorities at some future date.  Just not now.  And just not by anyone who lacks the authority to formally denounce him.  It’s sad and disappointing that those hermits have now followed Luther to stand against Christ’s Church, and all because of a bad pope.  Very sad. Very disappointing.    One of the things which has led them into this error, as stated in their  Declaration, is the incomprehensible silence of the world’s bishops.  They are right about that – those bishops will share in whatever horrors await Pope Francis at his judgment for their complicity in his theological, spiritual, moral and ecclesiastical crimes. 

Nevertheless, I sincerely hope there’s nobody on this blog who thinks that the hermits did the right thing but if you ARE of that flawed mindset,  feel free to say so, just this once – we normally avoid this subject since it can lead people astray, but since this is happening here in our own neck of the woods in Scotland, well… there’s always an exception to the rule.  So, this is it; but, be clear, those hermits are 100% wrong to break from  Christ’s Church no matter how well intentioned, for we all know about that dreaded road which is paved with good intentions but which leads us, literally, to Hell.  Avoid! 

Why are Catholics Not in Uproar? 

Deacon Nick Donnelly said the Vatican's silence was 'incomprehensible' and the church should have denounced the 'heresy'

The above tweet is quoted in this Mail Online report about Pope Francis’ alleged denial of the bodily resurrection of Christ 

Comment: 

Deacon Donnelly’s observation is bang on the button.  If Catholics held to even a slithering of authentic Catholic Faith, we would, indeed, be causing uproar, mayhem, to make crystal clear to Pope Francis that up with  his anti-Catholic, and anti-Gospel, words and behaviour we will  not put! 

In the past, Catholics would pull dissident priests from their pulpits for preaching heresy but here we have a pope who is speaking and behaving in the most anti-Catholic, anti-Gospel manner imaginable, with bishops either defending him or remaining conveniently silent, and a passive laity, long conditioned by the multifarious “reforms” which have effectively changed the Faith of our Fathers into something which none of the great canonised saints would recognise. 

The answer to Our Lord’s question, then:  “When the Son of Man comes, will He find any Faith on earth?”  (Luke 18:8)  has to be, well, not in the UK.  that’s for sure.  And not in most other parts of the world.  Not if He comes anytime soon.  

Isn’t it long past time for the senior – allegedly concerned – Cardinals to actually do something to publicly rebuke this pontiff, instead of just giving interviews and writing books/articles which are unlikely to reach the majority of Catholic laity who, thus, in their ignorance, are being misled into error by him? Why has there been no major Press Conference, televised world-wide?  Surely, that is the least we can expect from top churchmen at this very late stage in the worst ever crisis in the Church’s history? 

However, if you disagree, be sure to tell us…

Extinction Rebellion: Priest Protester Making An Idiot of Himself – Clown! 

Passionist Fr. Martin Newell speaks from the roof of a train stopped at London’s Shadwell Station en route to the financial district Oct. 17. (Courtesy of Extinction Rebellion/ Vladimir Morozov)    (Click on image to read report).                                                                         

In case you think this is a one-off maverick – think again. His Order is fully behind him – click here

I emailed via the Order’s website as follows but, as ever, I’m not holding my breath for a reply.  After all, as one friend said, these folk are never going to be taking part in pro-life protests – they won’t want humans polluting the planet.  Clowns.

MY EMAIL VIA THE PASSIONISTS’ WEBSITE

From the Editor, Catholic Truth…

I am preparing to launch a blog discussion about the priest who participated in the extinction rebellion protest atop a train, so in the interests of fairness and balance, I wanted to check if and when this same priest has ever participated in any pro-life gathering or are there copies of letters you may be able to provide where he has written to MPs etc. on the subject of the murder of unborn babies or any other moral issue. 

 Also, is he aware of the letter sent by 500 climate scientists to the UN offering evidence to prove that there is NO climate emergency.

 I look forward to your early reply. 

 Thank you  [Ends].

Comments invited…

…because, having watched that idiot on the news (I assume it is the same idiot who was pulled from the train)*  I am,  frankly, speechless that he is a priest.  Over to you! 

* As corrected below in the comments, this is not the case.  The protester pulled by the commuters from the top of the train was yet another idiot, at another station. I remain speechless, however, that any priest would behave in such a juvenile manner. Clown.