Brexit: MPs Cause Chaos in Parliament – Shocking Scenes of Demonic Activity?

Comment:

In Parliament last night, Prime Minister Johnson was in very good form, firmly insisting that the UK will leave the EU on 31 October, despite all the disgraceful shenanigans of the “remainer” MPs to stop Brexit.   Rushed through legislation to try to tie the Prime Minister’s hands did not appear to faze him at all, as he proceeded with assurances that the UK will leave on the 31 October, as promised to the electorate.  Shocking scenes, staged by MPs, furious that all their demonic efforts had apparently failed, took place in the House of Commons as the procedure began for suspending Parliament for five weeks, prior to a Queen’s Speech and a new session of Parliament.

Are these scenes evidence of diabolical activity – or simply another instance of frustrated “remainers” refusing – like spoilt children – to take “yes” [we want out of the EU] for an answer?  Would someone please explain to me what is so attractive about remaining in the EU which, more or less everyone agrees (leavers and remainers), is a corrupt outfit?  Why the desperation on the part of the “remoaners” not to leave?  I don’t get it…

42 responses

  1. Very stupid article. If this is “diabolical” then what in the hell are the parliaments of Ukraine, Turkey, Nepal, South Africa, Uganda, Georgia, Hong Kong, India, Japan, Sri Lanka and Italy, where physical punch ups between the members occur.

    This is just humans being humans.

    • Not being a “stupid” person myself, I can’t comment. I can recognise an academic article, an intellectual article, a theologically and/or philosophically challenging article, but not familiar with a “stupid” article. So, hey, I’ll take your word for it…

  2. It is more than time to take a long hard look at Parliament and reform it. The behaviour is utterly disgraceful. Jeremy Paxman in a recent look at the whole question of MP’s and our c***p government suggested that their numbers be halved, a new, less adversarial chamber be designed in a purpose built building, Also all MPs be required to have had at least 5 years in the world of proper work before being able to stand. Listening to the above shameful clamour I can only agree with him. Something has to be done before we become the laughing stock of the world. If we are not already. Demonic? I don’t know, but utterly repellant juvenile behaviour.

    • Elizabeth,

      Well said. Paxman made some very good suggestions there, and I certainly agree that the time has come for a good, hard, objective look at the way Parliament operates.

      I tend to think “demonic” simply because I’ve seen a build up over the two years, where MPs were calm enough, under Theresa May, thinking they were going to be more or less as close to the EU as possible while nominally “out”. Then, as this possibility slid away, they have become more and more angry until with the arrival of an enthusiastic new Prime Minister, full of energy and not afraid to repeat his determination to get us out at the end of October, their fury has increased exponentially. Last night, seeing that Boris was not buckling under the pressure, still had his humour (I thought his speech was terrific – must look for it on YouTube) and insisting on 31 October as Brexit day, they showed themselves enraged.

      “Demonic” is the word that sprang to my mind, and that was before I saw the chaotic scenes which took place in an effort to prevent the prorogation ceremony. Maybe it’s over the top, but there seems to me to be something more than “juvenile behaviour” going on with these MPs – although that, definitely, too!

  3. It’s the usual thing when the ‘liberals/left’ don’t get their own way – throw the dummy out of the pram and start rioting. I’m quite sure that if the leavers had lost the EU referendum, their behaviour would have been far different, and if any efforts to continue to try to leave the EU had continued, I’m sure it would have been through the usual legal channels, because on the whole, people on the ‘right’ tend to observe the rule of law more than those from the ‘left’.

    • WF,

      Absolutely. I don’t think of myself as being “on the right…or on the left” (I’m usually just right! ) but I was thinking last night watching the Parliament debates, that there is no way I would have been agitating for another referendum if LEAVE had lost. I’d have written it off as worth a try.

      That’s why I keep asking what possible reason can there be for people like Jo Swinson, who is much too young to remember the UK prior to EU membership (forced upon us) – which makes her and her ilk so desperate to keep us in the EU? Even if there is another referendum which results in a LEAVE vote, she says she won’t accept it! What on earth is the attraction of having a foreign nation playing such a huge role in UK national affairs? I honestly don’t get it.

        • I suppose under the heading of “useful idiots” are those who know nothing about the corruption in the EU, the misuse of our money and the huge salaries and expenses paid to MEPs to keep them “busy” and keep their mouths shut about just how little they actually can achieve over there.

          I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve heard people say we couldn’t manage without the help from the EU – and I’ve heard that especially from friends in Ireland. It hasn’t dawned on them that it’s their own money recycled back to them that they are getting!

          • Westminster Fly,

            I have just been reading Guy Verhofstadt’s Twitter feed and here’s what he’s written about John Bercow, the extremely biased Speaker of the House of Commons – goes to your (correct) analysis of those with “vested interests” being the remainers.

            @guyverhofstadt
            ·
            9 Sep
            John #Bercow is a driven speaker and gifted orator but above all the keeper of the great British parliamentary tradition. I would love if we could welcome him in the European Commission or European Parliament.

            Say no more!

          • ‘Russia will spread her errors throughout the world . . . ‘ and the EU has taken them up with gusto. It is straight from hell – corruption with stilts on. One example – Christine Lagarde. Convicted of criminal negligence: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/christine-lagarde-convicted-imf-head-found-guilty-of-negligence-in-fraud-trial-a7484586.html On 2 July 2019, she was nominated by the European Council to succeed Mario Draghi as President of the European Central Bank on 1 November 2019. It’s like asking Gary Glitter to organise a children’s party.

            • Westminster Fly,

              I’m gobsmacked at that report – at one time Christine Lagarde was one of those brought onto the news programmes to comment on EU/Brexit matters, yet there’s been nothing that I’ve seen on ths conviction. The EU is corrupt to its fingertips but so are our news masters.

  4. No, it is not demonic, or a result of any satanic activity of any description. It is merely the Speaker and MPs trying, and in my view valiantly, to prevent a seizure of power by the executive. In this country referendums are not legally binding, and the 2016 referendum was only advisory, as any referendum regarding any other issue would be. Parliament, not the government, is sovereign, and they have the authority to enact laws. The executive cannot rule by decree. If it did, then we would no different to Zimbabwe or North Korea. The government cannot use subterfuge to thwart the function of parliament, which it has done by proroguing parliament for 5 weeks. It was prorogued ostensibly to enable a new Queen’s Speech and Conference season. Anyone who believe that blatant lie is an idiot. I voted to leave, so I am not a ‘remoaner’ (one of the most puerile political phrases ever conjured), I just object to my MP being silenced as I did not elect her to be gagged and the democratic system of Britain being trampled upon. Of course, Parliament must deliver Brexit, but they are sovereign and must thrash it out. Boris Johnson is a disgrace. He has no negotiated anything, as evidenced by a refusal by him and his cohorts to answer questions regarding said negotiations and EU leaders saying the same. I am also against no-deal. The reasons are many but have lately been confirmed by Prof David Nicholls who said there will be a shortage of radioisotopes and epilepsy drugs, and a rise in suicides, mental illness, alcohol related illness, and communicable diseases such as TB and HIV, according to the British Medical Journal. Also, the BMA and RCM said there could be a six month shortage of medicines.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/02/jacob-rees-mogg-doctor-shameful-no-deal-drug-concerns

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/30/no-deal-brexit-could-take-wide-ranging-toll-on-health-paper-finds

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49153073

    I am fully in support of the Speaker and the MPs, and Boris Johnson stinks, and anyone on here who backs this tinpot dictator stinks with it.

    • Catholic Convert,

      I’m astounded at your post, which is all over the place.

      You say that parliament is sovereign. This isn’t the case. That’s certainly a theory, but it is not a fact. The United Kingdom does not have a written Constitution so our political system is largely based on convention. Now I’m not a Scottish Nationalist, but I have to point out that in Scotland the Scottish people are sovereign. Even the monarch “rules” Scotland with the consent of the people. Therefore, it is actually very simplistic to say Parliament is sovereign.

      You say that referenda are “advisory” and that is true in the strictest sense. However, it’s unthinkable that a government would not act on the will of the people.

      You also fall for the scaremongering. I can’t believe you would really believe that no deal Brexit would lead to a higher rate of HIV and mental illness. That’s just about the most ridiculous thing love ever heard.

    • CC,

      Yet again, you accept the claims of the left wing media who are, to a man, against Brexit and have been from the get go. I don’t need to visit those links, I (yawn yawn) have read/heard it all before.

      However, in the interests of justice, since I heard, with my own ears, Jacob Rees-Mogg compare Prof Nicholls to Dr Andrew Wakefield, he, Rees-Mogg, clearly accepting the propaganda about Dr Wakefield, I think it only fair to post a link to an evidence based defence of Dr Wakefield… all in the interests of helping to sharpen your critical faculty, which, with all due respect, appears to be very much in need of sharpening. Do NOT CC, believe all that you read, especially in the middle of a national crisis, which has been caused by the very people in Parliament who are now screaming “national crisis”. I refuse to let them make a fool out of me, and I hope you will similarly determine to do the same.
      https://vaxxedthemovie.com/who-is-dr-andrew-wakefield/

      One last thing – if you haven’t read it, I recommend you purchase a copy of Brussels Laid Bare written by the first ever (and last, I believe) Chief Accountant of the EU, who was sacked for refusing to cover up the corruption in that august (NOT) body.
      https://www.amazon.co.uk/Brussels-Laid-Bare-Marta-Andreasen/dp/095541881X

  5. I fail to see how my post is all over the place. I’ve re-read it at it seems cogent to me, but then, what do I, a mere mortal, know? Parliament certainly is sovereign, and here are two links correcting your error:

    https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/parliamentary-sovereignty/

    https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/

    https://www.parliament.uk/education/about-your-parliament/parliament-and-government/

    I did say that referendums are advisory, and Parliament could ignore it. Can you imagine Parliament implementing the result of a referendum to restore the death penalty? As I said, Parliament has been advised, and now it is up to them to sort it out.

    As for the latter, I am not falling for the ‘scaremongering’. You are the simplistic one. That is the go-to response for hardline Brexiteers. I am bowing to the superior knowledge of medical experts who have said these things. You have obviously been brainwashed by fools like Jacob Reees Mogg, who slag off medical professionals, but who don’t come up with any counter arguments. Radioisotopes decay, and there have already been issues regarding this. BNMS said, at least one patient in Scotland had been unable to receive treatment for liver cancer on the planned day during the delivery trial as the radioisotopes had arrived too late. Haven’t you heard of Operation Yellowhammer, to which Prof David Nicholl contributed? Then Mogg slagged him off! Well, thanks to Dominic Grieve, the government will be forced to release the document and people can see for themselves, and then decide who is scaremongering.

    Are you a doctor? Instead of calling it scaremongering, why don’t you come up with a counter-argument?

    • Parliament’s sovereignty is not, in fact, set in stone. It’s a general principle based on convention but not set in stone. Indeed, the Constitution of the United Kingdom is “uncodified” because it is ever changing. Despite what your links say, it’s quite obvious that Parliament is not sovereign because the European Union itself has usurped Parliament’s authority. Therefore, I have no time for the cry of “parliament is sovereign”.

      I’m astounded at your aggressive posts and name calling, Catholic Convert. That’s not the way Catholics conduct themselves and is in breach of the house rules. You would do well to read them. May I ask if you’re going through a difficult time just now? When something isn’t right in the personal life , sometimes we see aggression in their online behaviour. Please reflect and come back when you are ready to abide by the house rules.

    • Catholic Convert,

      With respect, your posts are full of the propaganda against Brexit.

      David Cameron said that the Government would implement the result of the referendum, so whether or not in theory it was advisory, he promised to make it binding.

      As for medicine shortages – this again is a scare tactic. The Health Secretary has assured us that already plane loads of stock piled supplied have been flown in and I heard a doctor, who stood for election as an MEP at the last EU elections, answer that question on the Jeremy Vine show on Channel 5, and he said he had gone right into the question and there was just no way there would be medicine shortages.

      Parliament is not sovereign – it’s the people who are sovereign.

      I can’t believe anyone who voted to leave would fall for these myths.

    • CC,

      The very fact that you use the terminology of the remain MPs speaks for itself. There is no such thing as a “hardline Brexiteer”. There are people (like my unworthy self) who voted to leave the EU and do NOT want to end up with one foot in that august (NOT) body and one foot out. Nothing “hardline” about that. I voted to leave and I want to leave. Not compromise. Leave.

      Not nice at all to call Jacob Rees-Mogg a “fool” – that’s not acceptable here. If you are unable to express disagreement with A.N. Other without name-calling, say nothing.

      I’ve already given you this link a couple of times to allay your fears about medical shortages but here it is again – very well worth reading through.
      https://www.kevinholdridge.net/2019/01/medicine-shortages-and-brexit/

      Operation Yellowhammer was a study of what might happen in the worst case scenario – and the outcomes change all the time. Order a takeaway from your local Chinese restaurant and ask how long before it arrives: “…could be half an hour….might be closer to an hour… could be much quicker, all depends on (a) the weather (b) the traffic…. (c) this and that…” Get it now?

      One business man who voted leave said in a news report a week or two ago, (when asked if he worried about the (yawn yawn) “uncertainty” caused by Brexit), that business is always full of uncertainty and a good business man is used to making preparations for various eventualities.

      So, most of what is being trotted out is idiotic scaremongering. Thankfully, the majority of the population (who voted to leave) are not falling for it. Even many, if not most, remainers haven’t fallen for it; in fact, although the remain MPs are just not accepting the referendum result and are battling against it, in my own experience the ordinary people who voted to remain HAVE accepted the result and are as sick and tired as the rest of us at the shenanigans of the resistance movement in Parliament. No wonder they don’t want a General Election – most of them will be out on their ears, at the next poll.

      Dominic Grieve called his “leave” colleagues in Parliament “a bunch of hoodlums”, so he has absolutely nothing to teach me, thank you very much.

    • Catholic Convert,

      You seem to believe anything and everything that is written against Brexit. Do you ever check the other side? Do you realise that we lived for centuries without being in the EU?

      I don’t believe any of the scare stories, not one of them. My common sense tells me that we will do well when we have the freedom to make our own laws, and control our own money and borders. I’m not so easily fooled.

    • Anybody, like Catholic Convert, who believes all the propaganda of the remoaners, really ought to watch the video of the German speaker in the video above, where she quotes Barnier mocking the British and saying he would make conditions so brutal that we would prefer to stay in. I remembered another video on another Brexit thread so I’ve searched for it to re-post it here. This is from a BBC documentary which I saw at the time. The way these EU officials mock the British is scandalous. Who would want to allow them to rule us?

      • I meant to say these are supposed to be negotiating a deal with us – is it any wonder we can’t get one? They detest us!

    • Catholic Convert,

      Here’s a very interesting commentary about the alleged medical shortages.
      https://www.kevinholdridge.net/2019/01/medicine-shortages-and-brexit/

      I must say, I am very surprised at your comments on this topic. You appear to think that if a statement if repeated often enough on media outlets, it must be true. Not at all the case. As Jacob Rees-Mogg hilariously pointed out on Question Time some time ago, if you listen to the BBC news, you’d think everything (good and bad!) was happening “in spite of Brexit”. Watch the clip – hilarious! Above all, CC, keep calm and look forward to Brexit… Who know, they might make it a bank holiday and you will have a day off work!

    • CC

      NEVER trust the Huffington Post – puleeese!

      In any case, here’s the link I posted below explaining that medical supply shortages are a regular problem and nothing to do with Brexit
      https://www.kevinholdridge.net/2019/01/medicine-shortages-and-brexit/

      You’ll need to sharpen up your critical faculty. Next thing you’ll be joining the numpties who parrot “But we didn’t know what we were voting for in 2016… It didn’t say anything about a deal…”

      Well, er… no. The question was, do you want to remain in the EU or leave. Then, in the campaign we had the two sides putting their case. I opted to save billions of pounds sterling, take back control of our borders, and have legal decisions made in our own courts etc. What a rebel, eh?

    • CatholicConvert1,

      I can’t comment on all these exchanges about the nature of Parliament and the British government, but I can comment on your choice of source: the Huffington Post is in the same camp as the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and the major TV media (NBS, CBS, ABC, BBC): That is, worthless and completely left-biased propaganda without a shred of credibility (except, of course, in their own liberal echo chamber).

      You would do well to find sources of accurate information before posting your opinions, which essentially are a re-hash of “Operation Fear.”

  6. RCA Victor,

    So true.

    Every time I watch the news or read a report online, I laugh a hollow laugh at the persistent claptrap about Brexit causing uncertainty. As if, without Brexit, everything is going smoothly.

    Well this news report in today’s Mirror, proves otherwise. Here’s an example of how uncertain life is, in and of itself, coupled with “business uncertainty” – and there’s NO Brexit to blame; we’re still in the EU…
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/m6-crash-drivers-face-huge-20006181

    And for the record, I know I waver between confidence that we will, in the end, get out of the wholly corrupt institutions of the EU and my conviction, dating from the day I cast my vote to leave (which I announced to the gathering voters at the time), that there is no way we’ll be allowed to leave… Today, I’m convinced – once more – that we will continue to be held prisoner. We’re not getting out. I think that’s increasingly clear. Needless to say I’d love to be proven wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

  7. I am one of the few people here who voted Remain. One concern I have about Leavers is that they seem to me to be naïvely idealistic. Certainly, if I had voted leave I would feel betrayed that the British political establishment has done everything in its power to thwart a speedy exit from the European Union and its institutions. However, do the other commenters on this blog really think that by leaving the EU we will rid ourselves of the radical secularists who dominate our political parties and ruling elite? After British withdrawal from the EU I have no doubt that the metropolitan elite and the avaricious plutocrats who control them will continue to promote ideologies of sexual liberation, economic globalisation, and mass immigration. I am just not convinced that these people are going to give up actively destroying Western civilisation simply because we’ve left the EU.

    My Polish friend told me that in Poland the EU is forcing the Polish government to promote the LGBTQ+ agenda. But who are these people who are lobbying the EU to adopt these radical social policies? They’re not Polish or Hungarian. No, they’re British London-based lobbyists. Once we’ve left the EU these people will not cease lobbying our own government and law makers and policymakers. To get rid of these people will require something much more revolutionary than Brexit. The entire nation needs a conversion of heart. And at this stage of the game I just don’t see that happening. What is required is the consecration of Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart. But before that happens I think that things are going to get a lot worse.

    Do people here really think Brexit is the panacea to all our nation’s spiritual and social troubles?

    • No, but it is easier to fight one set of idealist socialist elites than two sets. And a broken and weakened EU is easier to fight than a whole and stronger one.

      Other than that – I concur.

    • Miles Immaculatae,

      Your comment is “beyond Brexit”, so to speak.

      If you can explain to me how having a foreign group of nations (the EU27) controlling our immigration rules, taking huge sums of money from us, and being able to impose laws / over-rule lawmakers here in the UK, if you can explain to me how that helps us, how that is a good thing, then I will think again.

      Right now, I would prefer to live in a land where I help to elect the lawmakers; where the national Government has control over who enters the country, and how we spend tax-payers’ money, and where no foreign court can make decisions about what the Government here may or may not do…
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/12140444/European-court-challenges-Britains-right-to-deport-foreign-criminals.html

      As for the rest – of course we need the Consecration of Russia to be carried out asap. Until then, the world will continue to be in a state of utter turmoil.

      That doesn’t mean we sit in subjugated silence until that glorious day. We are expected to do all we can to keep or restore good order in the world, as much as possible and taking back control (to coin a phrase!) of our money, laws and borders, is as good a start as any.

      We were not asked to vote on Brexit as the “panacea to all our nation’s spiritual and social troubles” – never heard anyone claim that,ever. But, frankly, I find it difficult to understand why the population of the UK ONLY voted 52% to leave the EU when we were conned into it in the first place. Why is everyone and their granny not livid that we were told lies, that we were merely consenting to a trading partnership? Why is everyone and their granny not livid that – having been thus told that whopping lie – we are now expected to show allegiance to an EU flag, anthem, President, Commissioners – and, if we remain, contribute to an EU army… Why so accepting of having been fooled, turned into useful idiots?

      Like I keep saying… I just don’t get it…

    • RCA Victor,

      That’s another great article from the American Thinker. This single sentence impacted on me:

      Think of how Americans would feel if we allowed Brussels to decide our laws and justice.

      That really drives home what we are dealing with – a foreign country running our country! It’s terrible.

      The remain MPs are stirring up the remain citizens who voted to remain – I don’t think they would be marching on the streets etc if the MPs had accepted the leave result, as they said they would. So, if there is rioting on the street if we do get out, it’ll be the remain MPs to blame, nobody else, for refusing to accept the result.

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