Would a “Surprise” Brexit be Dishonest?

Comment: 

The determination with which the remainers continue to work  to overturn Brexit – using the excuse of a “catastrophic no deal”  – is a lesson in zeal for us all.   However, if the above short video content [dated yesterday, 15 August] is true, and the Prime Minister is acting to make sure we DO exit on 31 October, with or without the support of Parliament, is that wrong?  A lot of us, if not the entire Catholic Truth blogging community, are Brexiteers to our fingertips, but should we support Boris – “do or die” – to get us out of the EU?   

51 responses

  1. I think it’s the only way we’re going to get out of the EU, the way things are going. Boris will have to be ingenuous to get the better of the parliamentarians – especially the devious Jo Swinson and her recently acquired new MPs (former Tories, former Labour, etc. Obviously not people of integrity, they just go wherever the wind blows when it suits them)

    I hope what the man in the video said is true but haven’t seen it mentioned on the news. I do believe something big will have to happen soon. Those who are fighting Brexit, including the Speaker, are absolutely determined to stop it using “no deal” as an excuse. I will never get over it if they succeed in stopping Brexit. It would just prove that if you bully long enough, you win in the end.

  2. Goodness me. This is not exactly setting the heather on fire is it?

    Thanks to RuddyFarmer and Fidelis for your contributions; it’s a very true saying that it’s the busy people who get things done! So, thank you both for taking the time to post a comment…

    There have been a few developments, I see, just checking out the headlines but, so far, no mention of the “surprise” Brexit. We live in hope!

  3. I think there is a kind of lull before the storm with the PM and Brexiteers just getting on with preparing for no deal and the frantic remainers beavering away to try to stop it. I don’t think they can succeed.

    Ken Clarke has wanted to be PM for a long time but never got there. Now he’s making himself look silly by agreeing to be a “caretaker” PM, if the opposition wins a vote of no confidence against Boris Johnson. They really are looking foolish, so I think the Brexiteers are right to leave them to it.

    I can’t see how a “surprise” Brexit would work. If they said we had legally left on 29 March, all that would happen is that the remainers would launch another legal case and the whole thing would start up again.

    Reasonable minded remainers are saying just get on with it, we need to get out, and I think any vote, another referendum or a General Election would show that was the mind of the population overall. I can’t see how we could stay in the EU now. The idiots who keep saying we should stay in and reform the EU don’t seem to have noticed that all the attempts at reform have failed miserably, for years now. We either get out, or we stay in a United States of Europe. That’s the choice.

    • MM.

      I think you’re right about that lull before the storm. The Brexiteer MPs are keeping a very low profile. I did laugh, though at a comment from Nicky Morgan (who voted remain but is not one of the Tory rebels) today; she was responding to the crackpot idea of putting Corbyn in as a “caretaker” Prime Minister, when she said that when he was put in as Labour leaders, that’s what the Labour Party thought they were doing and now they can’t get rid of him! Priceless.

  4. I am very caught up in the Ashes test match now being played at Lords (not Lourdes!). No one could possibly have forseen how it has played out so far. Events happen and the unexpected does happen. I will prophecy on All Saints Day what is going to happen over Brexit. I do hope that I will be allowed to publish my prophecy!

    • John,

      I don’t think you have ever NOT been allowed to publish here – you tend to stick to our House Rules so I’ve no excuse to censor you! I greatly look forward to your All Saints Day prophecy.

      I doubt, though, if the remoaners will be able to out-fox the new Leader of the House of Commons who really does know his stuff. Here is his first speech as Leader of the House, and, having watched it live, at the time, I agree with the YouTube caption – he really did have the parliamentarians in stitches. Enjoy!

  5. I am confused about Brexit. I am probably one of the very few people who read Catholic Truth who voted Remain, and this is probably because of my age, indeed most of my demographic cohort voted Remain. In the opinion of he commenters here, what is the main reason a Traditional Catholic should consider supporting Leave?

  6. I’m really beginning to think we won’t get out of the EU. The EU and the remainers in Parliament are absolutely determined to keep us in and I don’t see how it’s going to happen now. It’s very obvious now (if it wasn’t before!) that partitioning Ireland was a massive mistake, and it is coming back to haunt Britain now.

  7. Miles, I’m not convinced that voting to remain in the EU is a “generation thing”. I’m in my thirties after all…. Seriously though, every single one of my many nieces and nephews voted to leave and one of them works in the Parliament. Their mean ages is 22 years. May of them did an Erasmus year on the continent and 4 of them went to school there too. Their reasons were mainly regarding sovereignty and self determination and some simply considered the EU as Big Brother.

  8. Here’s a video featuring a young man in which, using a BBC documentary (which I saw at the time and was appalled), he shows the deviousness and hypocrisy of the EU negotiators, convinced that they can delay and delay Brexit to keep us in the EU – well worth the 5 minutes required to view…

    • The sheer blatancy of those EU officials mocking Britain over Brexit, is hard to stomach.

      I wish the PM would announce 31 October as a national holiday to celebrate getting our freedom back from these hypocrites.

  9. There are meetings galore today by the anti-Brexit opposers so I hope Johnson does have a “surprise” up his sleeve or we’ll be stuck in the EU forever.

    I was watching the leader of the SNP being interviewed on the news this morning, so opposed to “no deal” that it made me wonder what plans the SNP have to take us out of the UK “with a deal” – or are they going to go anyway, with or without a deal? LOL!

  10. Petrus,

    You just beat me to it.

    Watching the remainer MPs frothing at the mouth is pure joy 😀

    There they are prattling on about “the death of democracy” (Nicola Sturgeon, who ignored two consultations where the public voted AGAINT same-sex “marriage” in Scotland, by upward of 60% of the population, but announced that we’d be getting it anyway – a real democrat, she…) and “this is an attack on democracy” (Ian Blackford, leader of the SNP at Westminster, who has repeated his belief that “there is no such thing as a good Brexit” – thus he will vote against any and everything that will get us out of the EU); priceless – it really is better than any comedy show I’ve seen in ages. That’s a bit misleading. I don’t actually watch any comedy shows. Strike “telling lies” off my confession list…

    As for the EU saying this is “sinister” – sheer nerve, as if their hypocrisy and contempt for the UK and Brexit wasn’t made crystal clear in the BBC panorama, a clip of which I posted above. What was all that gloating, if not “sinister”?

    I’ll not be tuning in to any more thrillers or murder mysteries until after the 31 October – thanks to Bold Boris. He might not make it into Heaven, given his non-compliance with God’s moral law/affairs etc. However, if it’s any consolation to him, he’s made it into my Top Ten Favourite Politicians (or would, if I had one 😀 ) To be re-assessed, of course, on 1 November…

  11. I am over the moon at this news of the suspension of Parliament before a Queen’s Speech and watching those who don’t want Brexit at all, pretending they are just wanting to stop a “no deal” Brexit, is pathetic.

    I can’t see how the courts could over-rule the PM and Queen on this. It’s the most optimistic I’ve felt for ages, that Brexit will actually happen! Can’t wait!

  12. I’m way past caring about a “surprise” Brexit – I’d sooner have a surprise General Election now to get as many Brexit Party MPs into the House of Commons as possible. The remainers are in demonic temper today – it’s hard to believe, watching their fury.

    The BBC is reporting that the cabinet is actively considering a snap election today. I think it’s only when the remoaners are kicked out that we will get Brexit. Otherwise, we’re stuck in there forever. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49549960

    • Josephine,

      Well said. I’ve just received my (SNP) MPs “Newsletter” via email, and fired off the following reply – just couldn’t stomach his complacent gratitude to all who had contacted him about the “anti-democratic” suspension of parliament and the danger of leaving without a deal. Here’s my not too pretty response:

      Dear (MP),

      Thank you for your newsletter via email.

      I am one of the one million plus Scots who voted to leave the EU and I can make absolutely NO sense of the SNP position whatsoever. A strange kind of “independence” which seeks to break from Westminster but remain tied to Brussels. I notice that Nicola Sturgeon no longer speaks about “an independent Scotland” but “an independent European Scotland.” Crackers.

      As for “outrage”… I am outraged at the contrived outrage over the very short suspension of Parliament and the nonsense being spouted about shortage of food supplies etc in the wake of the “no deal” Brexit. We were told that if we even voted for Brexit the world would come to an end, so I (along with most Brexit voters) write off that baloney as the anti-democratic scare mongering that will live on until we get out of the prison of the EU. Can’t wait to see the egg all over the faces of the remoaners when that day dawns!

      The dishonesty of this contrived outrage is that, were you all seriously concerned only to get a deal (as opposed to stopping Brexit, your real agenda) you would not be helping the EU by publicly opposing the Government’s attempts to get us a “deal” while doing the perfectly obvious and intelligent thing by making it plain that we are leaving anyway. THAT is how to get a deal as any business person knows.

      I will NEVER vote SNP now, never. Not least because, when campaigning in Sauchiehall Street with the Leave Means Leave group some time ago, I was utterly appalled at the number of SNP voters who displayed utterly anti-English (i.e. racist) sentiments, using language to match their ignorance. Most of them didn’t even realise that the MPs in Westminster – like the SNP – are determined to keep us IN the EU. Utter ignorance – and when I pointed out that it was the people who had voted to leave, that most of the MPs want to remain, I met with the Rab C Nesbitt level of academic ability … “who telt ye that, ur ye daft?”

      I’m writing this email on my own behalf but I know of more than one constituent who voted remain in 2016 but who [is] disgusted at the machinations to overturn the referendum – given another chance, they say they would vote leave. Ends.

    • RCA Victor,

      What is REALLY interesting about that report is that not even one of those developments has been reported in the TV news bulletins today. It’s all doom and gloom. One of the statisticians trotted out on these occasions, did show a graph briefly (on and off the screen in jig time) showing a surge in support for the Conservatives, but this was written off immediately with a “reminder” that the pro-remain Lib Dems are likely to do well in any forthcoming General Election.

      So, thank you for that – very interesting indeed to read all of that, being reported on the other side of “The Pond”!

      • Editor,

        It appears you are getting the same real news blackout treatment that we are over here, on various Pres. Trump initiatives and positive results (replaced by the 24/7 fake news smear campaign against him, perfected by the Communists back in the 1930s).

        You should send that article out to your entire newsletter mailing list!

        • RCA Victor,

          Here’s a laugh. I have permission to send the newsletter to the email list but nothing else. A new EU regulation requires that I need written permission to send material to someone.

          Laugh, as they say these days, out (very) loud…

  13. RCA Victor,

    John Bercow is well known for his bias. He has been against Brexit from the start and is openly pro-remain. The one consolation is that he will go down in history as a biased Speaker, and that’s about the worst reputation any Speaker can have, so he won’t win in the end.

    • Laura & RCA Victor,

      If there is one man in all of this, with whom I would give just about anything for the “privilege” of a private 5 minutes “chat”, it’s that highly biased, smug, totally unprofessional Speaker, John Bercow. He is openly pro-remain – I keep asking myself: “Surely there must be some way to get rid of him?” (legally, I mean, of course, what are you suggesting?) but then it dawns on me, no use asking me, I don’t know – maybe the Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg, who knows the Constitution inside out, one presumes… surely he would know.

      Having mentioned the Leader, I have to say that I am not impressed with the coverage of him lounging on the front bench in the Commons. Surely, with the entire Parliament against them, the front bench MPs should be doing everythng in their power NOT to give their/our enemies any easy-to-reach sticks with which to beat them.

    • Fidelis,

      That’s an excellent commentary by Melanie Phillips – I don’t always agree with her but on this, she is 100% right – a sample:

      “…Under this, the people are sovereign; they elect MPs who form a government; the government has the power to govern; Parliament holds the government to account through its consent to legislation which it passes.

      But now parliament has effectively become the government. Thanks to the constitutional chicanery permitted by the Remainer Speaker of the House of Commons, MPs have seized the power to make legislation through which they intend to block Johnson’s Brexit strategy. Given that the Commons has three times voted down the only deal that has been on offer, they are therefore voting to block Brexit altogether.

      The hypocrisy is stunning. These MPs are voting to thwart legislation they themselves have passed. They are doing so under the preposterous pretence that they are defending the historic rights of parliament against the government. In reality, they are destroying the historic constitutional balance between government and parliament, under the preposterous pretence that they are defending democracy. Yet they are not only denying the people a functioning government, but are poised to deny the people the right to elect a government that will function as such. “

      Got it in one. Yet, the idiots abound who believe the silly slogans on the streets around Parliament where the noisy remainers/remoaners seem to be present from early morning until, well, the next early morning. Have they no jobs? Family duties?

      I am highly suspicious of these protesters. Big time.

    • Sorry, Nicky et al,

      I am unable to blog for now – but thanks to those who are keeping discussions ticking over. Your names have been noted, if not in the Book of Life, at least on the payroll!

      Please pray for a special intention on my behalf – and, in return, I promise to post a new thread as soon as possible!

      • RCA Victor,

        That’s a great article and I think the writer has read the situation perfectly, so clued in that he knows to check with Spiked!

        This is definitely true: “People like a fighter and they like political courage.”

        I am not a natural Conservative voter, but I will be voting for the Conservative candidate at the next election, assuming he or she is supporting Boris right now. Boris is showing guts, and I have to admit, I’m surprised, I didn’t expect that of him, to tell the truth. I used to write him off as a buffoon. How wrong was I. If I don’t have a suitable Con candidate, it’ll be the Brexit Party.

      • RCA Victor,

        Yet again, the American Thinker provides a brilliant analysis. Here’s one nugget:

        “Yes, if thing stand as they do now, delays will go on into eternity, each deadline pushed back, and an exit from the European Union impossible. The E.U. will notice this and just keep throwing up a wall of resistance to a deal to ensure that Britain stays, like it or not, or else keep moving the goalposts — into eternity. When delays are endless, what an opportunity. These useless satraps have nothing better to do, after all. They like the pounds flowing in. And such a coincidence: the parliamentary betrayal happened on the 80th anniversary of France and Germany declaring war on Britain. Plus ça change…

        Spot on…

    • Nicky,

      Yes, I would definitely have posted a fresh thread on this but for the various unexpected things that happen in my usually unremarkable life 😀

      However, the day is almost over, so no point now. Thank you for that link to the ruling in Edinburgh – a real poke in the eye for my least favourite lawyer, Joanna Cherry SNP.

      I will need to replace the Pius X thread asap, though – that’s a promise!

  14. Have been catching up with the news and disgusted at the lies being told by all and sundry to try to keep us in the EU. There is no question at all, that what is going on has nothing to do with a fear of “no deal” and everything to do with remainers refusing to deliver Brexit. There should be no such thing as a “remainer” now – the fact that these MPs continue to use this term, shows (along with their various machinations) that they have never accepted the result. I never thought I would see the day when I felt sorry for Boris Johnson but seeing the bits I’ve seen of the debacle in Parliament and some of the TV commentary, I’m appalled. He is showing courage by refusing to buckle under the pressure.

    As for the “catastrophic” no deal impact, seems that Mark Carney has changed his tune, and that, today of all days!
    https://news.sky.com/story/bank-no-deal-brexit-not-as-bad-as-we-predicted-11802146

  15. It’s laughable to watch the opposition making excuses not to support a General Election! The truth is, they know fine well that most of them will be booted out at the GE, for thwarting Brexit at every turn.

    • MM,

      Talking about “laughing”, I couldn’t help smiling at the following comment, following the resignation of Boris Johnson’s own brother, Jo Johnson, a Conservative MP and minister:

      “One Westminster observer immediately summed up his decision to walk out as sending the message: “I’m resigning to spend less time with my family.”

      Priceless.

      However, in the same report, we read:

      “Others pointed back to an interview Jo Johnson gave, a few years ago, in which he insisted he and his brother would never suffer a family schism like David and Ed Miliband. “We don’t do things that way, that’s a very left-wing thing,” the younger Johnson said. “Only a socialist could do that to his brother, only a socialist could regard familial ties as being so trivial as to shaft his own brother.”

      It appeared the final straw for Jo Johnson was his brother’s decision to “purge” 21 moderate Conservatives from the party, for their rebellion to block a no-deal Brexit.

      That last comment reflects the ignorance within the Church with regards to the exposing and disciplining of public dissenters. What is it about “if you break the rules, you must take the consequences” that is so difficult to understand?

  16. I keep hoping to see Nigel Farage interviewed on one of the news or discussions programmes, but he doesn’t seem to get invited (I wonder why! LOL!)

    He was interviewed in the USA though, so here’s the clip.

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