Pope Attacked By LGBT+ Lobby For Document on Transgender Ideology…

The new Vatican document ‘Male And Female He Created Them’ is coming under fire from the LGBT+ lobby, who, predictably, claim that it will encourage hatred and bigotry…  Click here to read more…

In fact, the document is calling for the usual “dialogue” (yawn) so if the LGBT+ folks can prove their case, who will Pope Francis be to judge? 

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  1. (Copied from the General Discussion thread, to which I add: if there’s any hatred and bigotry going on, it is coming from the left, not the Church. The leftists hate everything, especially including themselves.)

    It seems the outrage mobs of the left are orchestrating their infantile noise once again, this time over the Vatican’s new document “Male and Female He Created Them.”

    https://www.npr.org/2019/06/10/731300949/vatican-issues-document-during-pride-month-denying-gender-identity-is-a-choice

    Despite the many good and orthodox statements in that document, I thought it actually undermined itself, in typical Modernist fashion, by calling for a “path of dialogue,” through “listening, reasoning and proposing.”

    Well, Congregation for Catholic Education, you’ve already reasoned with the mind of the Church, and proposed. Are you so afraid of reaction to the truths you have affirmed that you have to fall back to that meaningless, nauseating, spineless crutch of “dialogue”?

    • RCA Victor,

      Well said. I am increasingly fed up with the LGBT+ assertions to the effect that nobody is to dare challenge their ideology/sexual activity in any way.

      It’s like an 11th Commandment. Thou shalt not object to homosexual activity.

      I am thinking of emailing the powers-that-be in the LGBT+ “community” to ask if one of them would like to participate in one of our video conversations on the subject. Will report back when I receive a reply.

      • Remember that this is Homosexual Pride Month whatever they have to be proud about beats me but we’ll have the same Garbage spouted by Scottish Politicians ( that’s a Laugh on it’s own ) about Diversity one must now Diversify and if one doesn’t Diversify one will be forced to Diversify. I read something on LSN about a City in the US where there going to hold a Heterosexual Pride March and the LGBTQ2WXYZ. Alphabet Squad are up in arms about it . Of course one must be a Perverted Deviant in this day and age . I wonder if we’ll get the same scandal of one Priest with his TIE on calling another Faithful Priest a Bigot. God spare us from these Perverted Deviants it isn’t compulsory yet but give it time . I wonder ED if you’ve ever spoken to ( I want to close Catholic Schools) we Harvie. As for the Above God created them Male and Female document of course they’d attack it ,they attack anything that’s Truthful.

      • Editor,

        I just noticed something in the image atop this thread: the array of documents in different languages looks a bit like a rainbow….

        Too bad the LGWHATEVER crowd (which I would hardly call a “community,” unless you can describe consumers of pornography as a community) doesn’t realize that they are being used to (a) finish off the Catholic Church, and (b) establish a totalitarian police state where truth is a thought crime.

        Once those objectives are attained (though (a) will never be attained), this “community” will be thrown to the Muslims, the other pincer in this trap, to be killed by throwing them off roofs, or other violent forms of death.

        • RCA Victor,

          It s truly shocking, I always think, that certain Muslim countries throw homosexuals from rooftops. Barbaric.

          Indeed, and I hope he’s reading this – I decided not to release a post from the moderation queue submitted by a would-be new blogger, seeking to comment on the Muslim Parents (LGBT+ Lessons) thread, because he “outs” himself as being a “gay” Muslim. He is clearly not on the side of the concerned parents in Birmingham, England.

          So, Sir, if you think I didn’t release your comment because I didn’t want a disagreeable view being published – wrong. We’re more than capable of arguing our case. However, sometimes we need protecting from ourselves, and that, rightly or wrongly, was my thinking in withholding your comment.

      • For your interest, folks, I have emailed our invitation via an LGBT+ Scotland website:

        There is no contact name that I can find on your website, so I am addressing this to Dear whoever wants to read it and respond!

        Catholic Truth is an independent publication, website and blog, dedicated to reporting on the crisis in the Catholic Church, primarily as it affects Scotland, although also beyond.

        Increasingly, we are concerned at the reaction of the LGBT+ lobby to any questioning of the LGBT+ ideology, lifestyle, etc. Ann Widdecombe’s opinion on “science/therapy” and today’s headlines about the Pope’s document on transgenderism, are recent examples of the furious reaction of the LGBT+ lobby to any level of questioning of any aspect of LGBT.

        I am writing, therefore, to invite you to participate in one of our video conversations on the subject. We would arrange a venue in the Glasgow area although details of date and time can be determined later. This is an invitation to ascertain whether or not you would be agreeable, in principle, to such a conversation. There would be no audience – our videos are simply either informal conversations or small group presentations. For example, we are meeting with a Protestant gentleman on Saturday 15 June, for an informal conversation about salvation in the context of Catholic/Protestant beliefs. There will be no audience, just those necessary for the filming.

        In terms of a video with a member of your group, our rationale is this: it is a simple matter of fact that the teaching of the Church on human sexuality is based on the moral law, which has not been invented by the Church, but is merely protected by the Church. The Church cannot decide to dispense with the commandments not to steal or lie, and so it is with the natural law on sexual morality. The Church has no authority to change it (or, believe me, this horrendous Pope would have done so by now – he’s come close!) Yet, if I were to quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church on homosexuality in any public forum, I’d be leading the news for days! It really would be treated as “Breaking News”!

        Some of us consider this to be wrong; an outrage, in fact. Yet, there is no forum available to us to say so. This is surely unfair.

        Finally, and before you decide to send this email to the cops for consideration as a “hate crime” – believe me, we hate no-one. Not one person on the planet.

        So, if you are interested in discussing the ideas which arise from the points I make in this message, I’d be delighted to hear from you. If you choose to decline, I will be disappointed but will reply only to thank you for your courtesy. If you choose the “hate crime” route… well.. I didn’t write any of this, honest! 😊

        God bless you.
        Signed

        Well, since “dialogue” is all the fashion these days, we might as well give it a go…

        And here’s a wee bit of dialogue to brighten up what’s left of the day…

        • Editor,

          Nice try, but I’m afraid “dialogue” is only expected/demanded for those who are willing to surrender their beliefs to the new paradigm of acceptable sin. Just like “tolerance”: we have to “tolerate” the LGWHATEVER demands, but they don’t have to tolerate us. In fact, their definition of tolerance is to crush us if we step out of line and dare to disturb their consciences.

          To also resort to comic relief, here’s an anecdote:

          A mother knocked on her son’s door to wake him up on Sunday morning, to tell him to get ready for Mass. After a second try, the son finally groaned, “I don’t wanna go to Mass, Mom. Besides, I don’t like those people, and they don’t like me!”

          Replied the mother: “Son, you’re 45 years old and you’re the pastor – man up and get dressed!”

          • Well said, RCA Victor, it seems, sadly, that they do NOT have to tolerate us – or even “dialogue”… I’m still awaiting a reply to my email…

    • RCA Victor,

      I haven’t read the document but as soon as I saw the headlines, I guessed that would be the bottom line – let’s dialogue, again giving the impression that the teaching on humanity will change. At least the name of the document gives the game away, LOL! That should be all that was required, with a footnote to say there’s nothing to dialogue about!

  2. What I’ve noticed is that the West of Scotland Modernist Corps (Bishop Keenan and Archbishop Tartaglia) have said that this is a “sensitive issue”! How on earth is it a sensitive issue? We’ve really entered into the twilight zone when saying a man is a man and can never be a woman is a “sensitive issue”.

    For me, this is a nod to do mentally ill who want to change their gender and an attempt not to offend.

    • Petrus,

      Excellent point – that is precisely the problem; instead of speaking in plain English to say a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man, they play this semantics game, which fools nobody of even average intelligence. And certainly not WELL above average intelligence Catholic Truth bloggers … 😀

  3. I’ve read the document several times and I concur with contributors who complain of the somewhat damp, trendy ‘dialogue’ approach. Why has it been left on some Vatican official’s desk since early February and not released until now? I suppose we should be grateful for small mercies but the threats posed by this odious transgenderism have been known for some time. The topic merits an Encyclical, a clarion-call to wake up a sleeping giant. (Fat chance of that.) But at least it has that fatuous James Martin SJ spluttering into his bowl of gruel.

  4. I was surprised the Church under Francis has done something which has managed to upset the secular world. I am reminded about the old saying about a stopped clock telling the right time, twice a day.

    I am particularly pleased that it got up the nose of James Martin.

    Catholic parents should badger the SCES / Head Teachers to use this document – but probably few people will be aware of it. And too many people in Scotland – clergy and lay – have little appetite for truth, especially if someone else may falsely claim it is controversial.

    • RCA Victor,

      Thank you for posting that excellent critique. It’s a measure of how bad things are that this sentence is the once I chose to highlight here – talk about stating the obvious…

      The task of the Church is not dialoguing but teaching and correcting, there is a relentless spiritual war going on in the field of sexuality, marriage, and the family.”

  5. Margaret Mary

    Nay lass! You’ve got to open your mind and see the possibilities. The prince could meet his prince and get “married” in St Paul’s Cathedral and then they could adopt an heir; similarly the princess could do the same (not meet a prince of course – doh!). Simples.

    Or they could “re-gender” or “re-species”; the sky’s the limit.

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