Out & Proud & Preaching… The Link Between Clergy Abuse & “Gay” Priests

“The pedophile scandal in the Catholic Church is not a pedophile scandal. The vast majority of victims are post-pubescent teens and young men. The real problem in the Church that everyone sees and few will say out loud: gay priests.”  (Matt Walsh, Twitter)

I’m taking some heat on Twitter today because I said that the real problem in the Catholic Church isn’t pedophilia but gay priests. As the statistics clearly show, the vast majority of predators in the clergy were homosexual and the vast majority were not pedophiles. The same study that reported those figures did try to absolve gay priests by claiming that their homosexuality had nothing to do with anything. But this is an assumption — I think a plainly absurd and unprovable assumption — that is not born out by their own statistics.

And the problem goes beyond sex abuse of minors. As Rod Dreher has been reporting, and liberal publications agree, homosexuality runs rampant in the modern priesthood. Sexual activity between priests, and between priests and seminarians, is not uncommon. I think it is rather difficult to separate these facts from the fact that teen boys were so often sexually victimized. Is it just a coincidence that gay priests exist in such large numbers, protected by gay cabals within the Church, and at the same time there happen to be a bunch of priests molesting pubescent boys? Are these two realities entirely separate from one another?

Take the case of the scummy Cardinal McCarrick. He has been accused of preying upon young boys. But most of the stories that have come out about him revolve around his sexual exploits with seminarians. Grown men, in other words. Yet we are told that the fact of his homosexuality is irrelevant. How could it be? If he were not a homosexual, he would not have molested boys. Who could dispute this? I’m not claiming that all homosexuals molest boys. I am claiming that only homosexuals molest boys. A non-homosexual, by definition, is not attracted to males.

I will be told that sex abuse is about “power” not sex, but of course this is ridiculous. It is about both. If all you seek is power over someone, there are other ways to achieve that aim without sexually assaulting them. If you choose sex as your means, then it would follow that you are sexually attracted to your victim.

80% of the victims in the Church have been males. Is it difficult to see how thousands of boys may have been spared this experience if there had not been so many homosexuals in the priesthood? Or are we going to pretend that even a heterosexual may attempt to get his thrills by molesting a 15 year old boy? If so, I have no idea what the words heterosexual and homosexual mean anymore.

I have been accused of focusing on this issue because it implicates gays while ignoring abuse perpetrated by heterosexuals. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I have written extensively about the epidemic of (mostly heterosexual) abuse in the public school system. There is very little public interest in this problem, and I have not been able to generate much through my own efforts, but not for lack of trying. As I have observed, it is probably not a great idea to have women in their 20’s teaching teenaged boys, just as it is not ideal to have men in their 20’s teaching teenaged girls. We may not always have much of a choice, but the problems inherent in such an arrangement are apparent.

In a similar way, it is not a good idea to have homosexual men living together in rectories and seminaries, and working closely with teen boys. This is not a homophobic theory I am positing. It is an observation I am making based on 50 years worth of data. It is nothing but moral cowardice to refuse to face the facts.   Source – The Daily Wire

Comment:

Given the above facts, the criteria already set out by the Vatican document Careful Selection And Training Of Candidates For The States Of Perfection And Sacred Orders (S. C. Rel., 2 Feb., 1961) which contains the following warning, is worth noting: Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers. 

This prohibition on ordaining homosexuals is repeated in 2005 here  so, there can be no possible justification for seminaries to continue accepting and ordaining homosexual men,: “…  the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question[9], cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called “gay culture”[10].  Source

Or, must we ignore the facts, and opt for political correctness to “move with the [ever-changing] – and ever-more sexually permissive – times”?

30 responses

  1. Absolutely, the Church should refuse to accept homosexuals into seminary and if they manage to get through the screening, they should not be ordained once it is know that they support the “gay” culture. It is shocking to think of the boys whose lives have been ruined by abusive priests all because the seminaries failed in their screening.

    I take the point made by Matt Walsh that not all homosexuals will molest boys, of course not, but there has to be a policy of eliminating all risk and you can only do that by making sure that the rule about not ordaining homosexuals is enforced.

    • Josephine,

      In an era when employers lay great emphasis on “risk assessment” it is incumbent on the seminary rectors to do the same – especially now, with the benefit of hindsight and the shocking results of their failure to implement the Church’s policy on candidates for ordination.

  2. Matt Walsh’s article is very clear on the unsuitability of homosexuals being accepted as seminarians. However, there is one point with which I would disagree, and this from the experience of working in a male prison:

    “I will be told that sex abuse is about “power” not sex, but of course this is ridiculous. It is about both. If all you seek is power over someone, there are other ways to achieve that aim without sexually assaulting them. If you choose sex as your means, then it would follow that you are sexually attracted to your victim.”

    I have known of gang leaders who used sodomy as a means of gaining power over other prisoners. Outside in the world, these perpetrators were completely heterosexual and certainly not attracted to their own sex.

    • Crofterlady,

      I’m very surprised to read your comment because that part of Matt Walsh’s article about power is precisely what I have been saying for years. When I hear this claim that these sexual crimes are about power not sex, it just doesn’t ring true. As Matt Walsh says, there are plenty of ways to exercise power over someone without resorting to sexual attacks.

      I know nothing about the nature of your employment in the prison service and how you would know who was “heterosexual” (normal!) and who was homosexual, but I would argue that, in any case, prisoners are not (we hope!) representative of the wider community.

      In my own discussions with all sorts of people about this subject, one thing has come across clearly, and it is that those who do NOT experience same-sex attraction are nauseated by it. So, on a number of counts, I would argue, with respect, that your experience is far from representing the norm.

      A bully can always find ways to exercise power over victims. No need to use sexual violence to demonstrate “power” over anyone.

    • Crofterlady

      I find it difficult to believe that anyone would commit sodomy in a jail and not be attracted to their own sex outside. There must be a sexual desire for anyone to commit such an act and whether you are inside a jail or outside that desire must remain.

      As for power: as I asked a social worker (a relation) once: why would a father molest his son or daughter when he already has all the power he needs over them?

  3. What about the priests/bishops/cardinals who are practising homosexuals? Fr Martin comes immediately to mind., but he’s just one among many. What about the bishops/cardinals who do turn the other way in the face of absolute proof that these atrocities are taking place? They should be ousted tuit suite, but of course they won’t be, as they have our humble Pope’s blessing; there’ll be little change in this absolutely dreadful cesspit until a strong and holy man of God is in charge.

    Apart from the appalling consequences of these foul attacks on young men and boys, many good and holy priests are bearing the blame for the actions of these perverted “churchmen”. I cannot believe that they are actually Catholics, for how could they sleep at night knowing that it may be their last and that they will have to face their final Judgement? It doesn’t seem possible that they be can have any faith, whatsoever.

    • Therese,

      Spot on. That’s why they’re more accurately defined as “apostates” – they don’t fear the Judgment because they do not believe in the God of divine revelation. They’re about as Catholic as BBC TV…

      • I also read that article and fully agree with it . Also as you say Ed and in my experience of Working away from home lots in my early 20s not once did I come across knowingly any Homosexuals staying in any Digs as we called them . In fact lots of times you roomed with a complete stranger and I had many true friends from back then . Of course we went out on the Chase as young men do to clubs Pubs and Dance Halls . We worked hard and unfortunately wasted our money as most young men did back then . As for the Power thing I find it completely BS . How can a man who is not Same Sex Attracted get aroused ( no matter where they are ) by another Man as you say Heterosexual Men would find that extremely repulsive no matter what the conditions were . I also fervently agree with your comment above that Homosexuals no matter their profession seem to believe that Sodomy is not a Sin . On the Lighter side it’s just a pity that BBC channels cannot be obliterated from our TV sets ( if we don’t watch it ) . I thought that not watching their Garbage would exclude us from paying them £150 a year but no . It seems that if you watch any TV program or station one MUST still donate £150 to the BBC for their ultimate Garbage.

    • Therese

      As I have said many times in the past, despite the odd person not agreeing with me, I don`t believe any priest called by God ever became a molester but I do believe that many homosexuals used the priesthood for their own ends.

      What`s to stop any non-believer joining the priesthood merely as a job? They won`t consider it as being any different from someone joining a Bank to steal money.

      It must have been almost foolproof until it started to be exposed, especially since
      most Catholics could see no wrong in anything their priest does. Look at the number of Catholics even yet who are still conned.

  4. Tout de suite, Therese, tout de suite 🙂

    You are absolutely spot on, especially the last 2 sentences. Yes, HOW can they sleep at night? They cannot really believe in a Last Judgement or, if they do, they must have no insight into their condition.

    • Crofterlady

      Pardonne-moi! Am dead ignorant me, but I have aspirations – sadly not fulfilled…

      No crying.

  5. Here is a very telling excerpt on the modus operandi of the Lavender Mafia, though the entire article is very worth reading:

    “Normally reporters don’t want to touch stories about consensual sex among adults. This is especially true when it has to do with homosexuals, given the ugly history of homosexuality being used for blackmail purposes. The whole theory of the “lavender mafia” in the Catholic hierarchy is that sexually active gay men are in positions of authority in the Church — cardinals, archbishops, bishops, heads of religious orders, seminary rectors — and control which priests and laymen advance within the organization, and which ones are sidelined. They promote each other, keep each other’s secrets, and marginalize threats to their power.

    They also, the theory goes, keep each other in line, so to speak. When I was covering this story full time over a decade ago, the Catholic sociologist Richard Sipe told me that the system works like this. When predatory gay priests run seminaries, they select on a bias for gay candidates (this story, by the way, was well told in Michael Rose’s 2002 book Goodbye, Good Men). Gay seminarians who intend to be celibate, Sipe said, face tremendous pressure to have sex. If they slip up even once, their failure will be noted, and shared, said Sipe back then (I’m talking 2002-03). And they will be made to understand that their lapse is remembered. Later, as a priest, predators within the priesthood have that knowledge to hold over the heads of other gay priests, to keep them silent if they ever have the desire to blow whistles.”

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/cardinal-mccarrick-network-catholicism-lavender-mafia/

    • RCA Victor,

      WOW! That is one very powerful article. At the very end this bit underlined the sheer seriousness of it all:

      “You can say “ex opere operato” till you’re blue in the face—I am not taking the Eucharist from the hands of a rapist. And thanks to all the lying liars of the Catholic hierarchy, I will never be able to know who is and isn’t guilty.”

      I think any right-minded Catholic would agree, but the trouble is, we don’t always know for sure, who are the guilty and who are not.

    • My God I knew it was Bad but even I couldn’t have imagined that it was as bad as this . These Perverted . Sodomite Deviant perpetrators of Young Boys and men should be systematically thrown out into the Street . This Filth is actually as bad if not worse than The Pride Parades at least their out in Public view. My God give these terribly abused men and boys the chance of a life that has been taken away from them by these Deviants. As for this Gathering in Ireland God Help Us .

      • Faith of our Fathers,

        I agree. And what is really confusing is that the Church in Scotland has put a Protestant minister in charge of some investigation or review into abuse in the Catholic Church when all they have to do is dismiss the priests who should never have been ordained in the first place. That’s clear from the Vatican documents already linked on this blog.

        The bishops seem to want to make everything such hard work. Just sack these deviants, and be done with it.

  6. What I find difficult to understand is how some of the abuse lasted for years, right until a lot of them were grown men.

    I remember when we were young and went into the local river to swim against our parents` wishes, we would give the show away by our body language. Even parents of children bullied at school know there is something wrong by a child`s demeanor, so how could so many children be molested or raped over the years without the parents knowing something was wrong. Especially if they had been away for hours with the parish priest.

    In the article, the young man giving evidence talked about the abuse going on for years and then the same thing happening to his brother. This, I find hard to fathom. Surely, at 17 years of age, he could have fought off an elderly man: or better still, stay well away from him. And what about the police. Or even a lawyer? He then sits back and allows the same thing to happen to his brother.

    I`m sorry, it`s not that I disbelieve him but if I had been in his trousers, even at ten years of age, I would have put a stop to it all five minutes after it had started, parish priest or not.

    A boot to a selected part of the body would not only have deterred it but also quenched the desire.

    • Frankier,

      I agree. I can never understand how anyone of whatever age wouldn’t report back to parents or someone that they had been abused in that way. I find it very strange indeed, and as you say, to then stand by and know that the same thing is happening to his brother – weird. I just don’t understand it.

      • Although I read parts of RCA links I to found it difficult to believe that some of the Abuse could have went on for years with the same Family without any suspicion. I had experience of this with someone myself that when the Compensayshun started to be payed out the Accusationshuns started to go in. Am not saying the Abuse in Victors Articles never took place . But by God Money is a sure way of bringing them out into the open .

  7. WF,

    I think that man has to be pursued – if you have sufficient evidence, I would be ready and willing to publish the facts and insist on the Vatican prohibition on his ordination being enforced.

    Feel free to email me on editor@catholictruthscotland.com – attaching any screen shots or other evidence.

  8. I absolutely definitely agree that any man who is obviously homosexual, should not be accepted into seminary or ordained. It’s plain to see the effects that ordaining homosexuals has had on the Church. It had to be brought to an end.

  9. Bishop Schneider writes forcefully against the “gay” ideology and their parades, calling it totalitarianism, and calls out the clergy who support this: https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/headline-news-around-the-world/item/3999-bishop-schneider-speaks-a-man-against-the-world

    One thing, though: I’d like to know who wrote Pope Francis’ denunciations of gender theory (two of his statements are quoted near the end of the article). They sound like they were written by someone else. Perhaps Francis is keeping a relatively orthodox cleric in the closet as a ghost-writer, whose prose is recruited when expedient.

    By the way, this is the kind of writing I’d like to see from the SSPX. In fact, a constant barrage of it.

    • RCA Victor,

      that is a very powerful article, thank you for posting it. Great that we have Bishop Schneider.

      I think the SSPX would say they are busy travelling to take the Sacraments around to have time to write, although I tend to agree with you that it would be wonderful if they could give us a barrage of articles like that.

  10. Apparently only heterosexual high school teachers are offenders? Apparently gay men are less sexual than heterosexuals. Gay men also possess perfect impulse control when they´re around teen boys. That is basically what media is telling us. The majoriy of the abuse survivors were 12-18 in age. That is homosexuality not pedophilia. pedophiles are exclusively attracted to prepubescent children. If you look, you can see all the scandals going on. Scandals in Hawaii, Guam, and Chile can be added to the PA. There have been quite a few scandals like this 2010 one of gay priests caught having casual sex at gay club in Italy. They were filmed doing this. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297083/Gay-priest-sex-scandal-undercover-Berlusconi-reporter-films-clerics-gay-clubs.html and ”How the Catholic Priesthood Became a Haven for Gay Men” according to a gay priest http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/04/20/how_the_catholic_priesthood_became_a_haven_for_many_gay_men.html

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