Pope Francis’ Exhortation on Holiness Pushes Ecumenical Holy Spirit…

Holiness is the most attractive face of the Church. But even outside the Catholic Church and in very different contexts, the Holy Spirit raises up “signs of his presence which help Christ’s followers”.[7] Saint John Paul II reminded us that “the witness to Christ borne even to the shedding of blood has become a common inheritance of Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans and Protestants”.[8] In the moving ecumenical commemoration held in the Colosseum during the Great Jubilee of the Year 2000, he stated that the martyrs are “a heritage which speaks more powerfully than all the causes of division”. (#9) Source

 

Comment:

Pope Francis persists in giving the impression that salvation is a “done deal” , as long as people are kind and caring to the less fortunate.  While it is true that souls may be saved who are not within the visible bounds of the Catholic Church, it is not true to claim that they are thus saved in their false (or no) religion.  Souls are saved ONLY through Christ’s Passion and Death, through the operations of grace within His Church.  Why won’t the Pope say this?  Why give the impression that the Holy Spirit is “ecumenical”? 

And there’s plenty more to shock in this encyclical – so feel free to identify the part(s) that had you choking on your post-Easter chocolate…

78 responses

  1. I’ve now read through the Exhortation and it is just what I now expect from Pope Francis. Gobbledegook.

    He is trashing the traditional Catholic faith yet again, one way or another. The only people he criticises, as usual, as those he thinks are rigid and who think the law is important. He forgets that Jesus said he had not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it and that not one jot of the law would be disregarded.

    Words always fail me when I come to say something about this pope. How he can write about holiness and not mention Hell is beyond me. Even his words about the devil are all about what the devil is NOT, not who he is.

    I regard this document as just one more joke. This pope says nothing profound at all, nothing to make me want to seek real holiness. It’s the usual stuff about helping the poor, not gossiping etc. A waste of time and paper, if you ask me.

      • He says to discern the Holy Spirit one has to take Good Counsel. Boy am I not Half glad I wasn’t eating something when I read that statement.
        As I said before The Mans A Legend. Also can he just not go to a Monastery for a Month where Silence is the Rule . To at least give us a break.

  2. Here’s the kind of shocking headline that this exhortation has led to – I’m sick of this shocking pope
    https://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope-francis-says-helping-the-poor-and-immigrants-is-as-important-as-opposing-abortion/128223.htm

    He’d be the first to jump up and down if someone said that helping the poor and immigrants was as important as remembering the holocaust. As if two such things can be compared.

    To be honest, I don’t agree with those who question is mental health but I do questions his basic intelligence. He doesn’t seem to have a lot of it.

    • Lily,

      That is truly shocking that this pope, yet again, downplays the seriousness of abortion. There’s just no other human being so vulnerable and in need of protection as a baby in the womb, at every stage. How this man can equate those innocents with immigrants is beyond the pale.

    • It’s disgraceful that he makes no distinction between abortion and immigrants. It’s absolutely disgraceful.

  3. I tried to post this comment earlier but somehow it didn’t work.

    This exhortation is classic Modernism. I’m shocked that Pope Francis claims the Holy Ghost could inspire those in false religions to be martyrs. You cannot be a martyr if you die for a false religion! The Holy Ghost can inspire non-Catholics to convert, but this is very different to what the Pope suggests.

    I was also shocked by this incoherent comment:

    168. This is all the more important when some novelty presents itself in our lives. Then we have to decide whether it is new wine brought by God or an illusion created by the spirit of this world or the spirit of the devil. At other times, the opposite can happen, when the forces of evil induce us not to change, to leave things as they are, to opt for a rigid resistance to change. Yet that would be to block the working of the Spirit. We are free, with the freedom of Christ. Still, he asks us to examine what is within us – our desires, anxieties, fears and questions – and what takes place all around us – “the signs of the times” – and thus to recognize the paths that lead to complete freedom. “Test everything; hold fast to what is good” (1 Thess 5:21).

    Doesn’t the Pope realise that the greatest novelty of all is the Novus Ordo Missae? He says he should be wary of novelties but then claims we should be wary of traditions! Classic doublespeak!

    • Petrus,

      “the forces of evil induce us not to change, to leave things as they are, to opt for a rigid resistance to change. Yet that would be to block the working of the Spirit.”

      Isn’t that to say that Catholic Tradition is blocking the working of the Holy Spirit?!

      We were always taught at school that the Church had two pillars – Scripture and Tradition, and that we had to stick to both to be sure of what we believed, that it came from apostolic times. Yet Pope Francis seems to be saying that to resist change is bad – the opposite to what we must do if we are to cling to Tradition.

      Talk about confusing!

      • Lily,

        Absolutely! What you were taught is correct. You could indeed interpret the Pope’s words to contradict Catholic teaching.

        The problem is that he doesn’t make it clear exactly what he means. For example, he could claim to mean that the Holy Ghost convicts us of sin and inspires us to amend our ways. We are all in constant need of conversion and amendment. To resist this would indeed be sinful and obstinate.

        It’s been a long time since we’ve had a plain speaking pope. These modern popes, with their doublespeak, cause endless confusion.

        • Petrus,

          I am relieved to hear that what I was taught was right. I do agree about double-speaking modern popes – they’re terrible, and it’s laughable to think they’re being canonised!

          • Lily,

            Of course, not all change is bad. The Mass has changed slightly over the years, as you will know given that you clearly had a solid Catholic education. For example, St Joseph was added into the Canon of the Mass. Its important to note that changes to the Mass were almost always additions.

            The litmus test must be that the change must be organic, for good reason and must not contradict Tradition.

    • Petrus,

      “You cannot be a martyr if you die for a false religion! “

      I believe this is true, but is there any source to quote to support it? People are now counted as martyrs if they die for animal rights causes or race-equality etc.

      I’d love to have a good source to show that this is not the case.

      • Laura,

        From New Advent:

        “Heretics and schismatics put to death as Christians were denied the title of martyrs (St. Cyprian, Treatise on Unity 14; St. Augustine, Ep. 173; Euseb., Church History V.16, V.21). St. Cyprian lays down clearly the general principle that “he cannot be a martyr who is not in the Church; he cannot attain unto the kingdom who forsakes that which shall reign there.” St. Clement of Alexandria strongly disapproves (Stromata IV.4) of some heretics who gave themselves up to the law; they “banish themselves without being martyrs”.”

  4. At least nobody has voted in the poll that the Church is optional, so that’s some consolation! I was cringing waiting for this new document from the pope, knowing that it was hardly going to be Catholic.
    The passage highlighted in the introduction, showing us an ecumenical Holy Spirit, sums up my fears.

    There’s no end in sight, really. The only thing I can think is that with the geo-political situation hotting up, we may be in for another world war and that will being the consecration of Russia. Until that happens, I can’t see any signs of hope at all.

  5. Discernment!!!!…….the only thing that I can discern from this puffed up load of piffle is that the SSPX get as far away from this crowd (Francis and his cohorts ) for as long as possible….the ‘poo’ being conflated with ‘abortio’, the old ‘SEAMLESS garment’ tripe and baloney from the US crowd of Barnum and Bailey showmen.

    The St. Gallen mafia are somewhat depleted now but will recruit more like minded Judases and still keep pulling the strings.

    • St Miguel,

      I disagree. I think the Church needs the clarity of the SSPX sooner rather than later. Once the canonical situation is sorted out, more and more people will turn to the SSPX and their voice will only get stronger.

      Sent from my iPhone

      • The SSPX are outnumbered and outgunned by the Modernists running the show. Divine Intervention is needed now.I can’t imagine any of them listening to clarity as it in total opposition as to their schemes. I remember once reading that there was something about NEVER allowing a Jesuit to the Pontificate.

        • St Miguel,

          “Divine Intervention is needed now”

          But what’s the use of “divine intervention” if you don’t recognise it when it comes. This story serves to illustrate the point…

          A very religious man was once caught in rising floodwaters. He climbed onto the roof of his house and trusted God to rescue him. A neighbour came by in a canoe and said, “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll paddle to safety.”
          “No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me – I have always believed in Divine Providence.”

          A short time later the police came by in a boat. “The waters will soon be above your house. Hop in and we’ll take you to safety.”
          “No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me – I truly trust in Divine Providence.”

          A little time later a rescue services helicopter hovered overhead, let down a rope ladder and said. “The waters will soon be above your house. Climb the ladder and we’ll fly you to safety.”
          “No thanks” replied the religious man. “I’ve prayed to God and I’m sure he will save me – God will intervene to save me, I honestly believe that.”

          All this time the floodwaters continued to rise, until soon they reached above the roof and the religious man drowned. When he arrived at heaven he demanded an audience with God. Ushered into God’s throne room he said, “Lord, why am I here in heaven? I prayed for you to save me, I trusted you to save me from that flood.”

          “Yes you did my child” replied the Lord. “And I sent you a canoe, a boat and a helicopter. But you never got in.” END OF STORY…

          In other words, we’ve had “divine intervention” – as Our Lady foretold at Quito in the 17th century, her Son sent a prelate to restore the priestly spirit in the 20th century, and that prelate, Archbishop Lefebvre, gave us the SSPX.

          So, keep calm and trust Bishop Fellay!

          • Editor,

            Well said. I’d also say this to St Miguel; never underestimate what a small group can achieve. One man alone saved the Traditional Mass from oblivion – Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

            Also, divine intervention sometimes happens in a sudden and dramatic way, but it can also happen slowly, over time.

      • Where oh where is Athanasius on this thread, as I would welcome his thoughts on this. Usually he would have picked up on this by now !!

    • St Miguel,

      I can’t remember where I heard it but someone (probably on this blog) quoted someone who said that if a Jesuit pope is elected, run for the hills! Now we know why, LOL!

  6. I really don’t want to read PF’s latest heretical, insulting rubbish, as I don’t want to get even angrier than I already am about this pontificate, but here’s an article that gets angry for me:

    https://voxcantor.blogspot.com/2018/04/what-fresh-hell-is-this-from-mouth-and.html

    Just as a sidebar, I’m beginning to wonder if the “silent” hierarchy might not be so silent after all, and that they have chosen a different path to remove or neuter Francis. That is, to bombard him with his own corruption and the corruption of his sycophants, and precipitate one public scandal after another to back him into a corner. Recently we’ve had Barros-Gate, Homosexual party-Gate, China Betrayal-Gate, Letter-Gate, Hell-Gate, now Child-Pornographer Gate (the arrest of Msgr. Capella)…

    Perhaps their thinking is that it would be easier to remove him this way, with a higher probability of success, than to try to call a Council and try him for heresy. Meanwhile, though, they continue to keep up the pressure the other way, with this new “Declaration of Faith” from the April 7 meeting (though I don’t see how this “answers the Dubia.”).

    What a mess…

    • RCA Victor,

      WOW! That really is an angry article and I loved it!

      It’s hard to believe that the Pope doesn’t appreciate the contemplative vocation, too incredible for words. Doesn’t he know that the great Doctors of the Church like Teresa of Avila and Therese of Lisieux were contemplative nuns?

      He obviously thinks that only activity like working for a homeless charity or something like that is pleasing to God. That flies in the face of Our Lord’s own words, as Vox Cantor pointed out in t hat great article.

      I am not sure I agree with you, though, about the public scandals as a way of getting rid of Francis. I’d need more convincing, but my first thought is that this is not going to work. They just have to go public and follow through. Cardinal Burke went public but hasn’t followed through. That’s no use.

      • Laura (& Editor),

        The reason I speculated about the “alternate route” to removing PF is because (a) the hierarchy is obviously too weak to confront him directly (this latest Declaration of Faith is not a confrontation either), and (b) because Rome’s standard operating procedure seems to be behind-the-scenes intrigue, and employing words and actions that are not what they appear to be (as I learned from reading Fr. Malachi Martin).

        Meanwhile, I saw an article somewhere – some obscure website – claiming that PF “was not going to have a good May.” I don’t know what that means, but I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if more corruption is exposed….several times….

        Hopefully the “god of surprises” will come home to roost…and soon…

        • RCA Victor,

          I take your point, but my problem with your “alternate route” is that I believe there are so few bishops who are opposed to Francis. The majority seem to be on (“mercy”) message and then some, so they wouldn’t want to oppose him.

          It also wouldn’t work, in my considered opinion, because the simple fact is that the more such scandals are exposed, the more de-sensitised everyone becomes until, as we are already witnessing, the majority can no longer tell right from wrong, let alone want to set such scandals as “traps” to remove Pope Francis. I just can’t see it, and I’m a regular at Specsavers… 😀

          • Editor,

            “I see,” said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw….

            I have no idea how many in the hierarchy are opposed to PF, but I do think the sycophants make a lot more noise than the faithful ones.

            But how about this from Bishop Fellay? Here’s a quote from a 1P5 article from January 2017:

            “He [Bp. Fellay] does not think that we have yet reached the “ultimate consequences” of those defective principles, but he sees that the general situation is now “so bad that a certain number of bishops and cardinals in their own consciences saw that they had to say ‘that’s it’.” Fellay added that, “privately, they [these resisting prelates] are even more numerous [than the ones who have spoken up publicly].” However, in Fellay’s eyes, “it is too early to say whether this movement will grow.”

            https://onepeterfive.com/bishop-fellay-on-sspx-regularization-there-is-one-condition/

            Key word: privately, which supports my above statement about who is making more noise. That said, all this is like bumping into the furniture in a dark room. I have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. All I know is that we are being chastised, and it hurts – you should pardon the expression – like hell.

            • RCA Victor,

              A very interesting quote from Bishop Fellay. You kept that up your sleeve until the “bang, wham!” effect would hit home. Rascal. Makes me think you’ve been setting me up – a bit like this …

              • Editor,

                I’m a crafty old Yank! (But not a Crofter one). Actually, I merely googled something like “bishops support SSPX” and that one came up.

                See, no index card file up my sleeve….

                Now, say this very slowly, gradually shortening the time between words:

                OWA………..TAGU…………SIAM………

    • RCA Victor,

      Vox Cantor: I will no read the rest of this pathetic document.

      Spoken like a true Glaswegian, LOL!

      I agree that the article “gets angry” for you – me, too!

      The more I read of that Exhortation the more horrified I become.

      He’s only 81 – could live for another 10 years. Terrifying.

    • RCA Victor,

      I’ve just signed up to receive the Vox Cantor articles, so thank you for that link.

      Your theory about the “silent” hierarchy not being so silent after all, is optimistic in the extreme. No, I think we need to face the fact that the spiritual blindness foretold as diabolical disorientation at Fatima, explains the state of play, right now.

    • RCA Victor,

      The only disappointing thing about that Vox Cantor blog article is that he limits himself to the paragraphs on the contemplative life. I do wish he’d commented on the rest – that would have well and truly vented my anger, that’s for sure, LOL!

    • Pat,

      Thank you for alerting us to that very interesting and important report. Hopefully, others will follow suit. Throughout history, it’s been the laity that has objected to heresy and corrected the priests and prelates peddling false teaching. Thankfully, this example gives hope that our time of crisis is to be no exception. Deo gratias!

    • And, I mean, we all know that Hilary White never makes a mistake, never misquotes or misleads, whether intentionally or not we cannot know. I’ll wait for another source before quoting anything from her, thank you very much. Once bitten, twice shy, as the saying goes.

  7. There was some discussion early on between Petrus and Lily on para.168 being incoherent. I’d like to tale that a step further and say that this is much worse than incoherence: it is a diabolically conceived, calculated incoherence, designed to plant seeds of doubt, using multiple violations of the principle of non-contradiction:

    1. “…when some novelty presents itself in our lives…” Well, if it’s a novelty, then automatically it becomes unacceptable to a Catholic. But…
    2. “Then we have to decide etc.” No, that is a lie. The mere label “novelty” decides for us.
    3. The forces of evil induce us to resist change = “blocking the work of the Spirit.” Notice he fails to call it the Holy Spirit! So which “Spirit” are we blocking, Pope Francis? Tragically, we concluded long ago that we must block yours, since you are a self-identified Marxist revolutionary, not a Catholic.
    4. “We are free, with the freedom of Christ.” Glaring omission of the fact that only Truth can set you free. So what is this “freedom of Christ”? Implied but not stated: the freedom to change. A disguised appeal to the lowest common denominator of humanity: license. Liberation!
    5. “Test everything; hold fast to what is good” (1 Thess 5:21). This contradicts the allegedly confused thrust of the rest of the paragraph, and is actually the only truth contained in it.

    Yes, Pope Francis, we have tested everything that comes from your poisonous pen and poisoned mind, and we reject what is not good, what is not true, what is not Catholic….because that’s what the Catholic Faith teaches us to do. And what have you taught us to do? You have taught us to resist you to your face.

    (I’m speaking, of course, for the faithful, not the feckless hierarchy, who don’t seem to have the word “resist” in their vocabularies.)

  8. Vatican 2 has led us to where we are now with Pope Francis at the helm doing his utmost to destroy anything left of the true Catholic faith. We are now going through the Church’s crucifixion, which is so painful for her members to hear of its daily destruction. I myself have to be careful not to become too despondent with the daily battering of Christ’s Church. I believe only an act of God will restore her to her former glory. Even if Pope Francis is disposed/dies we will remain in the “same mess”.

    It will be in God’s own timing, but the Resurrection will surely come and we await in anticipation for that glorious day as prophesied by Our Lady of Good Success.

  9. Well folks, Idiot Trump is about to unleash the dogs of war….Russia and Syria being warned that US about to strike with NICE NEW AND SMART MISSILES!

    The POTUS is a lunatic and he is ably assisted by John Bolton sitting and smirking behind him.

    I believe the Chastisement Clock is sitting at 1 minute to Midnight.

    What sayeth the current Pontiff ?

      • Pat, most people just do not get this !

        Russia WILL strike back, this is as close to World War III as we can get.

        This is turning in to the Olympic Games of KILLING.

        No one can get definitive proof on this event and who is actually accountable for the gassing!

        Russia says ‘IT NEVER HAPPENED!’

        The west is blithely talking about lobbing missiles and Theresa May is in panic, as she realises she will need a Commons vote and will not get a majority, (unless DUP help her out) hence tempted to go ahead without a vote, but now saying MORE evidence is needed, (she is terrified that one more mistake and she will be toast and Corbyn gets in) whilst nutcase Trump and French twerp are gung-ho to get started right now.

        Fire will fall from the Skies…no doubt about that.

        • St Miguel,

          I’ve read through your latest posts and I think you need to stop the name calling. If you look at the house rules, it states quite clearly that name calling is not allowed. Remember, charity is paramount for a Catholic and calling someone an “idiot” or “twerp” is not uncharitable, whether it’s another blogger or a politician.

          I also fail to see how this is on topic. Perhaps discussing this on the general thread would have been better?

            • St Miguel,

              One of the hallmarks of the Catholic Truth blog is that regular bloggers can express themselves clearly and forcefully without being unpleasant or uncharitable. You will notice that if you read the thoroughly Catholic responses from the regulars. You will not find any bloggers engaging in name calling.

              • Oh yes you will AND QUITE RECENTLY TOO from a regular blogger.

                Are you taking over from Athanasius as he seems to have disappeared….what’s the story with that one?

                • St Miguel,

                  Would you mind not asking about absent bloggers, please. I do not keep a register and I don’t see why you should do so either. Blogging is not compulsory. It is an invaluable tool in the lay apostolate for “those with eyes to see and ears to hear” – personally, I’m not interested in anyone else.

                  Petrus is every bit as knowledgeable and competent to comment on issues as is Athanasius or anyone else. I don’t how long you have been reading our blog but know that, by his own admission, Athanasius has, more than once been wrong, big time, on important Catholic issues.

                    • St Miguel,

                      Bloggers come and go – I myself have had sabbaticals over the years. What I’ve noticed is that nature abhors a vacuum, so I pay little attention to those who come and go and i expect others do the same.

          • The point about being on this thread is the Exhortations from the current Pontiff and his dismal failure to address the elephant in the room. His could not care less attitude for example with regard to the very fact that Russia could have been consecrated by him and as he does not seem to think that Hell even exists, then obviously he has scant disregard for the Fatima seer’s Vision of Hell….ergo we now have the debacle today with USA V Russia over Syria.None the less he will lecture us on air conditioners (use of) and polar bears on ice floes.

            Helping the poor and immigrants, not a cheep about SYRIA!

            Gross dereliction of duty.

        • I am reminded of the 2nd Reading at Mass on the recent 2nd Sunday of Advent:-

          Do not ignore this one fact, beloved,
          that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years
          and a thousand years like one day.
          The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,”
          but he is patient with you,
          not wishing that any should perish
          but that all should come to repentance.
          But the day of the Lord will come like a thief,
          and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar
          and the elements will be dissolved by fire,
          and the earth and everything done on it will be found out.

          Since everything is to be dissolved in this way,
          what sort of persons ought you to be,
          conducting yourselves in holiness and devotion,
          waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God,
          because of which the heavens will be dissolved in flames
          and the elements melted by fire.
          But according to his promise
          we await new heavens and a new earth
          in which righteousness dwells.
          Therefore, beloved, since you await these things,
          be eager to be found without spot or blemish before him, at peace.

          2 Peter 3:8-14

          My Lord and my God.

  10. Personally I think the West should mind its own business. Every time they interfere like the geo police they are, a real disaster occurs. Look at what happened in Iraq when they deposed Sadam? And Libya when they deposed Gaddafi? The Arab Spring my foot! More like a situation gerrymandered by the Saudis and other hardline Muslims in order to create the mayhem need to invade Christian Europe. Whatever Assad is or isn’t, he has to be preferred to another unruly area in the Middle East.

    Can you imagine the outcry if Assad accused the West (rightly) of the mass murder of the unborn, the handicapped and the elderly?! Would the West tolerate interference from an outsider? No, it wouldn’t.

    I don’t know what’s going on or who to believe but I do know that dropping more bombs isn’t going to help.

    • Well said Helen, spot on. Many despots out there. Television news right now bandying about phrases like ‘World War III’, polls on TV shows 38% of Joe Public wanting a rammy with Syria. Has beens on tv (Tony Bliar),retired generals from the house of lords etc; prattling Jingoism….

      Newscasters with expressions like ‘This is even more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis’.

  11. If any of Pope Francis’ sycophants are reading this blog, I would like to remind them and him that God Himself is unchanging for all eternity. So is Francis going to claim that our unchanging God, who laid down the unchanging dogma of the Catholic Church via His unchanging revelation, is “rigid,” blocking the movement of His Own Spirit, and succumbing to the influence of the devil?

    This insulting rubbish of an exhortation can be summer up in one sentence: “Follow me, Pope Francis, into apostasy, and we’ll all walk off the cliff together!”

      • Nicky,

        That’s a great article by Christopher Ferrara, brilliant, as you say. He hits the nails on the head every time!

            • St Miguel,

              This habit of the Pope (and other modernists) of equating the evil of abortion with other injustices, is outrageous. It was one of many passages in this latest Francis document which horrified me. The pro-lifer quoted in the piece is absolutely correct. Nothing but nothing compares to the murder of the unborn child, the most vulnerable, the most innocent, of all victims of evil and injustice.

              Only a person suffering from spiritual blindness could possibly fail to grasp such an obvious fact.

              • What I notice over the years, sermons etc there is rarely a mention of the SOUL.

                The SOUL which was denied it’s entry in to this world, a life to live out, simply by the act of abortion.

                The soul which arrived at the moment of conception.

                The sin of ‘murder’ downgraded to ANY priest to forgive, which waters down it’s magnitude in most people’s eyes.

                We are just simple lay folk, no degrees in theology etc, but WE can feel, palpably, the magnitude of this heinous act.

                Years ago Cardinal Bernardin and his buddies came up with the ‘Seamless Garment’ baloney and this is the straw that is continually grasped at.

                I now fully believe that the path is being laid by New Church for abortion, euthanasia etc as an ‘accompanied conscience decision.

                Humanae Vitae is about to be thrown under a bus very shortly.

                The current Pontiff and his Vat Pack are cock a hoop at what they are getting away with.

                • St Miguel

                  Humanae Vitae was thrown under a bus right after it was published! Nobody bothers about it, haven’t done so for years.

            • St MIguel,

              Joe Public is bewildered by all this junk coming from the current Pope….

              Absolutely, I know non-religious people and never mention faith, except to give me a good natured ribbing about Catholicism.

              But even they have been appearing at my side, open-mouthed, parroting whatever rubbish Francis has vomited up now. (No Hell was the latest example).

              They were also shocked when I attacked Francis over this – who would have thought the Godless would suffer from Papolatry eh? haha!

              • ” I know non-religious people and never mention faith”

                Argh that’s meant to read:

                ‘and they never mention faith’

                I mention it all the time (of course).

          • RCA Victor,

            I remember a teacher friend telling me years ago that when she asked pupils to complete a questionnaire listing all the contemporary types of “family”, the box which always got the most ticks was the one which read “mother, father, children living in same home, lifelong marriage/family” – and this only a few short years ago. I have no doubt at all that the response would be the very same tomorrow, given that, as Pope John Paul II rightly noted, this (moral) law is written in our hearts.

            He got that right, even if he was very wrong to abolish the office of Devil’s Advocate for canonisations. I wonder why he did that?????

            • Editor,

              Funny you should mention that, because I just found this:

              http://www.unamsanctamcatholicam.com/history/79-history/351-devil-s-advocate.html

              And here’s the relevant excerpt as to why, perhaps, JPII did that:

              “In commenting upon the many canonizations of John Paul II, Cardinal Martins stated that John Paul II viewed his canonizations in the context of a “fulfillment” of the vision of Vatican II:

              “The first reason the Pope gave [for so many canonizations] was that he, by beatifying so many Servants of God, did no more than implement the Second Vatican Council, which vigorously reaffirmed that holiness is the essential note of the Church… [uh-oh, what about the other three??] Therefore, John Paul II said, holiness is what is most important in the Church, according to the Second Vatican Council. Then no one should be surprised by the fact that the Pope wished to propose so many models of holiness to Christians, to the People of God.

              The second reason is the extraordinary ecumenical importance of holiness. In “Novo Millennio Ineunte,” the Pope said that the holiness of the saints, blessed and martyrs is perhaps the most convincing ecumenism, these are his words, because holiness, he said with even stronger words, has its ultimate foundation in Christ, in whom the Church is not divided. Therefore, the ecumenism we all want calls for many saints, so that the convincing ecumenism of holiness is placed in the candelabrum of the holiness of the Church.”

              I’d say that second reason paves the way for the absurdity of non-Catholic martyrs: one of Francis’ many devious initiatives. So once again, we can see how this pontificate didn’t come from nowhere, but is a logical development of the past 50 years.

              • RCA Victor,

                That’s a very interesting excerpt indeed. I had no idea that Pope JP II was canonising so many people for that reason, couldn’t work out what he was up to, except keen to keep the idea afloat that all was well and the Church was still producing saints. LOL!

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