Trump’s Dumping Green Religion is a “Slap in the Face” For Francis – Vatican

VATICAN CITY (RNS) One of the pope’s closest allies says it would be a “slap in the face” for Francis if President Trump pulls the U.S. out of the Paris climate accord so soon after the two leaders met at the Vatican.

“If Donald Trump really decides to pull the U.S. out of the Paris accord it will be a disaster for everyone,” Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, who heads the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences, told the Italian daily La Repubblica.

At their historic meeting last week, the pope gave Trump a copy of three documents, including his 2015 encyclical, “Laudato Si’,” which warns of the grave consequences caused by climate change and highlights how it’s aggravated by human activity. The president responded by promising, “I will read them.”  Click here to read more

Comment:

Well?  Did Donald Trump “slap Pope Francis in the face” by pulling out of the Paris Accord?

56 responses

  1. If he did, it’s not a minute too soon! Pope Francis has no business getting involved in these secular matters. He needs to get a grip!

    • Petrus,

      If you haven’t watched the video, I urge you so to do. I watched the entire address on the TV news earlier and I was very impressed. Already, though, his critics are hard at work, pulling his speech to bits.

      As for your “… not a minute too soon”. Agreed!

      • Editor,

        I have just watched the entire speech and President Trump really exposes the socialist agenda of the Green Brigade! It’s about redistribution of wealth, not environmental concern.

        • Petrus,

          The “redistribution of wealth” however, is NOT (as traditionally understood) a redistribution in fairness to the poor, but, to quote The Donald: “a massive redistribution of United States wealth to other countries,” and “less about the climate and more about other countries gaining financial advantage over the United States.” That is, shoring up the economy of other countries, to the disadvantage of American workers.

          He did say that he was open to “renegotiating” a fairer deal, so I can’t see what the fuss is about.

          And I cannot see any further comment from the Vatican. Maybe, just maybe, they’ve listened to his entire speech and sighed a collective “oops!” One can only live in hope…

          • Editor,

            Yes indeed! It’s not the classical sense of “redistribution of wealth”.

            What really struck me was that the implementation of the Paris Agreement would only lead to a decrease of two tenths of 1 degree Celsius. That wouldn’t even stop your fried egg burning!

  2. Assessing the climate and environmental issues is out of the Pope’s scope.
    His job is to save souls, not the planet.
    Millions people are currently on the path to eternal damnation, but [Pope Francis] is worried by a slight warming of less than one degree C since a century. Hell is muuuch warmer .

    • Jacques Dumon,

      “[The Pope’s] job is to save souls, not the planet.”

      Exactement!

      We have pointed this out many times in our newsletter and blog. So, well said! We agree. Wholeheartedly!

  3. I concur, the Pope’s job is to save souls, not the planet.

    Trump’s ideas certainly seem counter to most people’s so perhaps that’s one reason to listen to him! Seriously though, I’ve always had an issue with this global warming baloney; I just don’t believe we are being told the truth by our political “masters”.

      • Paganini23456

        Well they lied about evolution which runs contrary to established scientific principles. But I would caution that fewer scientists believe in climate change than the media would have us believe. They just don’t give the other side of the argument a platform.

        Remember the East Anglia climate change centre email leaks and the collapse of the Copenhagen climate change summit? The ruse was briefly exposed at that time until they came up with a lie to play down the story.

        No, I’ve never been a sheep who just believes the propaganda. I thank God that I have a mind of my own and sufficient intelligence to research what they tell me. Climate change is big business, the biggest fund raising scam in human history.

        • Actually, Athanasius, sheep are really too intelligent to just accept the propaganda. I think that’s why Our Lord chose them as an image for His disciples, for His faithful followers; here’s some research which confirms that sheep are smart, not stupid, as popularly portrayed.

          No, Catholic “sheep” – truly faithful followers of Christ – don’t unthinkingly believe the “green” propaganda. That’s for sure.

  4. I listened to President Trump’s speech on my car radio – a superb speech that not only dismantled how harmful the Paris Agreement was for the USA, but also exposed the fact that it was nothing but a Marxist “redistribution of wealth” scam. Take from the rich and give to the poor? NOT! Take from the rich and give to the banksters is what actually happens. So of course the minions of said banksters are now busily denouncing and condemning Trump.

    As for Pope Francis, someone needs to slap him in the face – hard. It might cause him to recall why he is sitting in the Chair of Peter…

    • I listened to President Trump’s whole speech as well and it is absolutely superb. It really hits home and that is why he is being savaged in the media, both here and in the USA.

      I literally laughed out loud when he made that point about the redistribution of wealth – a nail on the head if ever there was one, LOL!

      I do hope the evil powers-that-be don’t manage to get their wish to be rid of him. I hope and pray he survives the relentless attacks on him.

      • Nicky,

        Pray daily, the Prayer to Defeat Revolutionary Men, for Pres. Trump’s protection against all harm and evil, and for his victory over the schemes of his enemies.

  5. Good on Donald Trump, he has kept his promise to the American people and cut loose the climate change scammers. I was afraid for a while that the international pressure put upon him might prove too much, but he proved a champion for truth in the end.

    The Communist nations, and that’s just about every nation in the world now, are furious, as is the greater part of the idiotic proletariate who have swallowed the climate change myth hook, line and sinker, even though it’s fleecing them of their hard earned cash through all manner of green stealth taxes. Sheep who can’t think for themselves and believe everything they hear on the fake news.

    Well done to Donald Trump and shame on Pope Francis whose comment on Trump’s decision just made him sound like a pagan with neither belief nor trust in the Creator he claims to serve. Never heard of a Pope getting involved in worldly issues in this way, absolutely disgusting.

    Concentrate on saving souls, Pope Francis, that’s your duty! Remember, the Sacred Scriptures speak of an end to the world, so stop fretting and get on with preaching eternal truths.

      • Petrus

        Absolutely right. And Our Lord continued by saying “let the day’s troubles be sufficient for the day”. But this is what happens even to high prelates when supernatural faith begins to die.

  6. I completely agree with everything Donald Trump said in that fantastic speech. He’s really nobody’s fool. I hope he sticks to his decision. The rest of the signatories to these climate agreements are just yes men and women who can’t think for themselves, they go along with the crowd.

  7. The evidence is there that The Church has established hospitals on every continent.

    Were previous Pope’s wrong to address such issues as to what constitute a living wage, and working conditions? Are people really saying such teaching is contrary to the mission of The Church?

    Every Pope takes advice on matters not part of their own expertise. That is why The Curia has Congregations, and bodies, made up of experts in particular spheres.

    Concern for the environment, and access to clean water, food, and habitation, etc etc is not a diversion from the primary mission of The Church, but an aid to it, and the Bible is clear we are the guardians of creation.

    • Martin

      Yes, Popes have always taught and instructed on Social issues but always with a strong emphasis on man’s last end, namely, his eternal salvation. What Pope Francis is doing is subscribing to a secular dogma based on the utterly false theory that man is in charge of the planet and his own destiny. The seculars who push climate change also push evolutionism. The plan is to eradicate God and people’s trust in Him.

      By his Encyclical on climate change at a time when the nations of the world are imposing “gay marriage” and doing their best to rid the planet of every last vestige of Christianity and Christian morals, it is quite clear that Pope Francis has his priorities completely wrong.

      We have a Pope who cares more about worldly things than eternal things, and that is really unique for the Papacy.

      • Athanasius,

        Well said. That’s it in a nutshell. Never could we have imagined, not in a million years, that we would find ourselves with such a worldly pope. Not in a million, trillion, zillion years.

      • Fair pay, and proper working conditions, are absolutely nothing to do with eternal salvation. Nor is the Church providing health and education institutions.

        The majority of scientists agree global warming is taking place. I note today that The US Ambassador to the UN says The President does believe in climate change, and that humans contribute to it, and that every serious commentator on his current policy of withdrawing from the Paris Agreements says it is on economic grounds. Thus, it seems people favour Presidential teaching based on mammon but not Papal Teaching based on the need to preserve creation, as stewards of creation and scientific advice. (Cf Genesis 1: 28-29)

        (If you doubt the words of the US Ambassador to the UN compare what Mr Trump said about NATO and various others issues before he received proper advice and guidance when he became President.)

        How many of those who write about tomorrow “taking care of itself” have contents and buildings insurance, and life insurance, and “eat five a day”? Do people only trust in Divine Providence only when it is not their direct concerns that are at risk?

        • Martin

          You say that the majority of scientists agree that global warming is taking place, so it must be true is it?

          The majority of Catholics in Ireland voted for same sex “marriage” and in doing so condoned behaviour that even animals wouldn’t dream of so is that acceptable to you also? Are the majority always right?

          Global warming, temperature change or whatever you wish to call it Is a con designed to fleece the gullible. What if everyone decided to buy the plastic bags and pay their ways into city centres, etc., etc.,
          would that not put us back to square one, if you excuse the Masonic expression? On the subject of shopping bags, why do they charge now for paper ones? Is it because greed knows no bounds?

          A couple of years ago the administrator of the Cathedral in Ayr reminded everyone on a wee leaflet on confessions that it was a sin now to use up our allocation of carbon on the soles of our feet, or words to that effect. Meanwhile, on a dark night, you are blinded going into the same church with floodlights shining into your eyes. Why then, is it a sin for me to have a security light outside my house?

          Cardinal O Brien, remember him?, the only suggested we should all have a holiday, whatever that is, at home to preserve our carbon footprint before turning and jumping onto a plane himself.

          Could you explain to me, Martin, how I was damaging the ozone layer by spraying my “oxters” in the bathroom without damaging the bathroom ceiling? Or how parts of the world at -50 degree temperatures can start thawing at -48 degrees?

          Every time you get a nuisance call, Martin, from someone trying to flog solar panels or double glazing you are getting these calls from fly-boys cashing in on the con.

          I’ll start turning off the light on my iPod when the nuclear bombs stop being tested, when Britain, France and America stop devastating the Middle East with their “clever” bombs and when they curtail their travels to outer space.

          Meanwhile, Martin, don’t forget to switch off you bedside light. Otherwise, you might get an excommunication letter from Rome.

          • Frankier

            There is a difference between people abandoning the faith, or failing to heed prophetic warnings, and not listening to advice based on empirical evidence produced by experts in their area of expertise.

            You are most probably aware that the notion of a “faithful remnant” being ever attentive to The Word of God is central to the Old Testament, and, indeed the whole of scripture. That is fidelity to God’s Word. Those same scriptures attest people can, and do, abandon God whilst others stay faithful.Therefore people may, and do, make wrong moral choices and that is a consequence of Original Sin. However to compare people who abandon fidelity to truth, even in very large numbers, with those who fail to listen to an expert who details with working wit h Gas safely is like comparing apples and oranges.

            To choose not to listen to the majority of experts, speaking of their area expertise, is a legitimate option but it does not imperil the soul and it is not a consequence of sin,but a failure to heed empirical science.

            • Martin,

              Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that scientists who seek to challenge the received wisdom about climate change/global warming are (to coin a phrase – prepare to be impressed) frozen out of the scientific community… Click here to read more

              It’s always a mistake to treat a scientific theory as divinely revealed dogma, even though it may be widespread and have the support of a pope. I mean, to coin another appropriate phrase (prepare to be even more impressed) some folks are as green as they are cabbage looking…

              Well, OK, I didn’t coin that one really but who’s to know? You won’t tell on me, will you?

            • Martin

              The “Experts” in science tell us that man was not created by God, he evolved from a primordial soup. The “Experts” in the scientific/medical world tell us that abortion is not the killing of a baby but the disposal of a cluster of cells. A few years ago Intelligence “experts” told us that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that warranted the destruction of Iraq. In all cases the media and the authorities pushed the myth and suppressed the truth.

              Now, what was that you were saying about “experts” and climate change?

          • Frankier,

            Well said. VERY well said.

            Only one small correction. You warn Martin not to forget to switch off his bedside light, otherwise he’ll get an excommunication letter from Rome. ONLY if he’s reading “Catholic Truth” – if he’s reading Laudato si ‘ I suspect he’ll be safe enough. 😀

            • Editor

              It seems to me that Martin would rather read the Dandy.

              I’ll believe what Martin says when those scientists, who are well paid to put their name to something written by someone like Georgios Soros, start practising what they preach.

              It is always the same old “common five eights” who have to toe the line. If these experts were to lose their jobs as a result of their theories they would soon come up with a different plan. They’re like the environmentalists who use the motorways to travel all over the country to protest at the building of the same motorways.

              I’m still looking for the answers to my questions to Martin
              rather than listening to a sermon. I haven’t managed to meet anyone yet who can give me an explanation.

              Maybe he could explain also how the iceberg that hit the Titanic happened to come loose before the warming of the globe.

        • Martin,

          if you read the papal encyclicals pre-Vatican II, e.g. Rerum Novarum on the conditions of the working classes (to use a short form description), you will see that the Popes, in this case Pope Leo XIII writes his encyclical for the purpose of refuting false teaching. In the case of Pope Francis, his “environmental” encyclical accepts and promotes the false teaching prevalent in western society; false teaching about the earth’s resources which has at its root, population control and is therefore an insult to the Creator..

          Of course we do not only trust in Divine Providence when it suits; but enlighten me, please, as to how it can possibly be the will of Divine Providence that we deliberately interfere with the procreative proves in order to “save” the planet – reference your own chosen biblical verse: Genesis 1:28, where God instructs us to do the exact opposite.

          Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for saving the planet, but I want more and more people to populate it, people to work in the chocolate factories and the sweetie shops… Indeed, my personal slogan is…

          • I am not referencing the recent Encyclical but the fact that The Church is rightly heeding scientific evidence which predates Francis becoming The Pope, and is wholly consistent with The Book of Genesis and the mandate given to humanity.

            To seek to stand on the side of a President concerned with wealth creation, and solely that, against the majority of scientist, economists and world leaders seem a tad foolish.

            To stand up for the truths of the faith is one thing, but as you say science is not faith and you are rallying against science ,and not The Pope, alongside a man solely enthralled by his own ego and wealth.

            • Well, it’s NOT a tad foolish. If you haven’t listened to President Trump’s speech I urge you to do so now. If you listen to it and still think he’s in the wrong, then this is not the blog for you. We are clear-thinking here, and we do not go along with the majority vote on anything – not even (ESPECIALLY not even) if the Pope is on the majority side. If the day ever dawns when the majority is in the right, we’ll be with them. Otherwise, we’ll stick with what we learned in our ACIIT – Advanced Course in Independent Thinking…

              The Pope is neither graced nor authorised to pronounce on scientific theories, with or without the support of economists and world leaders. He has absolutely NO authority to pronounce on anything but the Catholic religion. The most recent world leader to rise to the heights of fame is the “openly gay” President-Elect of once Catholic Ireland. Do you think I give a toss what he thinks about climate change or anything else? No. And neither should the Pope.

              Your judgment on Donald Trump is telling. Frankly, (or should that be “Frankierly”) I’m much too busy to debate with somebody who so lacks clear thinking that he sides with the mindless media against Donald Trump. Despite his personal character flaws, President Trump is making a difference and is not allowing himself to be a puppet, controlled by those who usually call the shots, as they did in previous USA administrations.

              Reflect.

              • For the record:

                1. I know some scientists disagree with the majority opinion.

                2. I have listened to most speeches by President Trump – including the one you cite – but I would also remind you that his Ambassador to the UN has said he accepts Global Warming is an issue, and that human beings are contributing to it. (He has had firm opinions one day and rebutted himself soon after. I cite his views on NATO as an example.)

                3. The Pope often misspeaks but all Popes have orivately, or publicly, engaged in discourse on issues facing humanity, and it is right world leaders receive his counsel. The wisdom, and status, of his Encyclicals – any of them – is above my pay grade, but as I have said before I wish he would reflect more, say less, and never unscripted on major issues.

                If Global Warming is not an article of faith then it follows it cannot be a test of orthodoxy in public discourse.

                  • It may be some ecologists do equate population growth with the problem but not all do. There is not one “Green” Agenda, or “Ecology” Manifesto. Unless I am wrong, The Knights of Malta – which as Cardinal Burke in a key role – were distributing condoms until The Vatican intervened. Are The Knights of Malta Catholic, and they in The Green Lobby?

                    • Martin,

                      If the Knights of Malta were distributing condoms then obviously they are not Catholic. If we deny any dogma of the faith (and God’s moral law/papal supremacy to teach in Christ’s name is included) then the KOM are definitely not Catholic. They probably are in the green lobby as these contracepting supporters are very mixed up people and usually jump on all the bandwagons that justify their dissent.

                • Martin

                  “Wisdom and status of his Encyclicals”? Is this Pope Francis you’re talking about? Are you having a laugh?

                  The world leaders don’t receive Pope Francis’ council, they receive his confirmation that their efforts to stem climate change are more important than their global imposition of “gay marriage” and abortion on demand, two evils that he should be condemning from the rooftops as the Vicar of Jesus Christ. But no, the Pope talks climate change.

                  Now if you want to read true supernatural wisdom from Popes who really did have status, then I suggest the Encyclicals of the pre-Vatican II Pontiffs. The beauty of their writings is that you don’t need a high intellectual “pay grade” to grasp what it is they’re saying. They spoke and wrote in a way that everyone understood. Now that’s true wisdom. The modern Popes write to impress and usually end up confusing everyone.

            • Martin

              What about Our Lord’s assurance that this world will end in conflagration by His divine will? What does this tell us about the nail-biting environmentalists who think they have the power to prevent it?

              God’s own declaration in the matter is a truth of the faith and we stand up for it. Why don’t you stand up for it, and why doesn’t Pope Francis? The Catholic Church is not on earth to save the planet, it’s here to save immortal souls for Christ, who is not of this world!

  8. Madame Editor,
    Our clever scientists have put temperature sensors on Mars and Venus. These are indicating planetary warming – but there are no cars, factories or other factors there on which warming can be blamed. Plainly the temperature rise there and here is due to solar cycling.
    Global warming due to human activity is a hoax perpetrated by people with a hidden agenda.
    President Trump has rumbled this, and good luck to him.

    • Leprechaun,

      That’s more or less what I say every time the checkout assistants in the supermarket ask me if I have a bag for the shopping. I say “yes” – because I’ll NEVER buy one with the name of the supermarket written all over it – why should I pay to advertise Asda or Tesco, or whoever? Which has brought the occasional “O, I never thought of that…” and then I point out that the whole thing is a scam, there are no plastic bags on Mars and yet there is warming up there blah blah, which is usually greeted with silence.

      The whole thing is a scam, with bells on. I’m on to them… (not that “they” care!)

  9. Earth Day (April 22) was birthed by the modern environmental movement in 1970. Here’s an excerpt from the Earth Day web site a few years back, meant to celebrate the anniversary of the event: “Earth supports a large variety of life forms, including potentially intelligent species such as dolphins and humans…”

    So now humans are potentially intelligent? My, we really have evolved, haven’t we…

    The Holy Father lent the moral authority of the papacy to a topic that is not germane to faith and morals. There is a way to teach and oblige people regarding care of the planet as being stewards of a gift from the Almighty, but that reference is obscured – if not obliterated – by the close association with Marxist ideologues and other potentially intelligent entities.

    President Trump didn’t attack the Catholic faith or the Holy Father; rather, he rejected assertions that claim greater certainty than is warranted by the evidence.

  10. For tiresome trolls who apparently form their opinions about climate science by watching the BBC cite so-called “experts,”, and who then constantly move the goal posts when their so-called thinking is challenged, here are a few tastes of reality:

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/25504-scientists-to-trump-nix-un-climate-treaty

    https://realclimatescience.com/2016/12/100-of-us-warming-is-due-to-noaa-data-tampering/

    The behind-the-scenes reality about this hoax is that the “scientists” who endorse and promote it are being handsomely paid with research grants and contracts to concoct their phony computer models and projections. That is, for those who endorse the fraud, it’s all about money. What a shock!

    Finally, here is an “Open Letter to Pope Francis” from 2015, signed by some 200 scientists and other academics, urging him NOT to pronounce on this hoax: http://cornwallalliance.org/anopenlettertopopefrancisonclimatechange/

    I hasten to add that posting 3 links on this subject does not make me an expert on climate science – that is, unless Editor would like to bestow a research grant on me to conduct further Google research…

    • RCA Victor,

      Consider yourself a recipient of a Catholic Truth research grant…!

      You make an excellent point about the funding – Professor Tim Ball pointed out this link between the “on message” scientists and funding on a TV documentary some years ago and has been persecuted ever since. Efforts have been made to discredit him – which, of course, makes him worthy of a hearing!

      I can’t find that original video but I found the video below. Not had time to view it – although it’s just about half an hour long – but my guess is that it will be every bit as useful in debunking the “humans to blame for global warming” baloney as the original.

  11. The climate in my garden has changed drastically since last week, and I blame myself for forgetting to switch off the DVD player – it was on ALL night. Mea culpa..

  12. I confess Therese to letting off steam!

    I read many years ago in a lifesitenews article that ants produce the most carbon dioxide in the world.
    Volcanoes erupt without our permission and create far more pollution and destruction than even the worlds worst industrial sites and so on.. We all know it is a hoax.
    The scurillous reports on TV showing cooling towers which are not throwing out fumes from industry but steam really do drive me mad. How hypocritical are the broadcast which claim that even the Chinese are signing on to this so called climate change agreement when they are probably one of the worst offenders in producing carbon waste and pollution and from whom we take most of our imports!!!

    Lord save us.

  13. My worry is the there is something inexplicable going on with the weather but the experts are paying no attention since the global warming people have decided they know it all. The Antarctic expanded to levels never recorded and last year the Arctic Ice was expanded towards Europe in a way it never had for a long time as photos from Nassa show. However yes thee was a real rise in temperature away from those poles. so one day we had real warm temperatures in Britain as the winds blew the hot air form the south and the nest day we were shivering as the winds blew from the Arctic. The point I am making is that there was no uniformity. In Europe thee was a lot of snow and we know of the avalanche that killed some people. This is never spoken of by the Climate Change esperts who revised their global warming theory that we would all die if the climate rose by 3 degrees. When there was no sign of this they decided overnight to say that they actually meant not from the Al Gore Era but from the Industrial Revolution. I doubt if in 1850 there was any measure of world temperatures. so because the ice caps did not melt the low islands in the Pacific are still thee because the sea level did not rise. There has been fewer hurricanes in recent years instead of more and more as we were promised. When such easily proved and observable facts challenge the ‘scientific’ facts the best thing to do is keep quiet maybe since you will be ridiculed and shouted down. They will call you all sorts of things rather than deny they are victims of fake news.

  14. Alleged “scientific evidence” for “climate change” turns out to be nothing more than a fraudulent group-think:

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