Political Correctness: Mission Impossible?

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“There was one performance this year that stunned me,” [said Meryl Streep] without naming Mr Trump.
“It sank its hooks in my heart. Not because it was good. There was nothing good about it. But it was effective, and it did its job. It made its intended audience laugh and show their teeth.”

“It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter. Someone he outranked in privilege, power and the capacity to fight back.”It kind of broke my heart when I saw it. I still can’t get it out of my head because it wasn’t in a movie. It was real life.”

Streep was referring to a rally in South Carolina in November 2015 when Mr Trump jerked his arms in front of his body as he made fun of Serge Kovaleski, a New York Times journalist who has a congenital joint condition.  Source 

Comment: 

I’m puzzled.

Although I think Donald Trump was wrong to mimic the disabled journalist as he did, until the furore broke around the story, I thought I was in a minority.  Let me explain…

The “experts” have been arguing for years now, that disabled children, and children with learning difficulties, are better served by attending mainstream schools. They – and disabled adults – want to be, and ought to be, treated the same as everyone else. Don’t patronise them, we’re told. Nobody protects the able-bodied from impersonators and me, moi, myself and I get the mickey taken regularly on the basis that we’re all hard of hearing.  In my workplace, colleagues in corridors would stop me dead in my tracks to mouth words, no sound, pretending to speak to me and I, mad fool that I am, not seeing the opportunities to file discrimination lawsuits, would laugh at their antics. 

Most of us think nothing of mimicking others, or laughing when others are mimicked and so – correct me if I’m wrong here – according to the PC logic, there ought not to be any special consideration given to the disabled. That’s, I repeat, according to the Theory of Political Correctness. 

I wasn’t impressed at all with Donald Trump’s impersonation of the journalist – not at all.  It was in very poor taste and not remotely funny;  a mimic is meant to entertain and that one manifestly didn’t cut the mustard.  I do the odd bit of mimicking myself and I think – in all humility – that I’d be in line for a Hollywood award ahead of Trump based on his very unfunny mimic of the New York Times journalist. 

So, this discussion isn’t about whether or not Donald Trump was right to mimic the journalist – I’m sure we all agree it will not go down in history as his most glorious hour.  So, (although we’re not daft – we know that this incident has been dredged up from 2015 and is being hyped to death because the allegedly liberal elite are fizzing that Hillary lost to Trump) the core question at the heart of this thread is this: is it possible for any of us to ever keep on the right side of the new – and getting newer by the nano-second – PC rules?   

89 responses

  1. The anti-Trumps keep changing the goal posts to suit their biased agendas. Meryl Streep hasn’t been working for the disabled either before Trump’s mimic or since then, so it’s obviously just another way to discredit him.

    I do agree that he was very silly to do that, as it hands his enemies a gift, but yes, that’s a point, if the PC rule is that everyone is equal and nobody should be treated differently, if they’re a woman or disabled, then what’s the fuss about it.

    • Nicky,

      “Meryl Streep hasn’t been working for the disabled either before Trump’s mimic or since then…

      A very good point indeed. Puts a clear question mark over her motivation. Well said.

      • Ed I have a very good friend who has been wheelchair bound now for over 30 years . Not once have I even thought of him as being disabled he has now run his own company for over 20 years . He said to me that the only thing that affected him was idiots who did not know him making ridiculous reference to The S.N.Ps push for Euthanasia. If Streep had been so much a champion of the disabled maybe it would have suited this overpaid underperforming woman to ask that Downs Syndrome Children not be aborted on demand.

      • Ed some of us Catholics ( sorry a think your one to ) are old enough to remember that the job you got ,or didn’t get was in accordance with the school we went to . I was actually quite fortunate in that I served an Apprenticeship I think the boss who interviewed me took a liking to me and not in the Alphabet way. Anyhow on my very FIRST day the imbecile of a Tradesman I was assigned to told me that it would be in my best interest to pack it in as I would never make a Tradesman. This as a 15 year old on my very FIRST day . How’s that for encouragement. I wish I had a £1 for every time I was called a Fenian B. Now am not going to say that I never answered back I would of course be a liar to say that . But one thing in all Honesty I can say and that is when -I was in a position to start men not once did I do so on their Religion or lack of . Especially during the early time of The Troubles in N.Ireland sometimes going to work was terrible. On more than one occasion I saw hatred from some Tradesmen break apprentices. Now you can’t say Boo to someone if you disagree with their way of life or your called Homophobic. ( whatever that means.)

        • FOOF,

          You are so right about the sectarian issue in the workplace and elsewhere.

          My dear dad (+ R.I.P.) was brought up in Protestant Airdrie and when WWII broke out, was serving his apprenticeship as an airframe fitter. He never finished his trade though, because he got drafted into the army and shipped off to fight the Japanese in Burma and India. He often talked about others, same age as himself, who weren’t called up because their names were on the ‘reserved occupations’ list.

          His own words…. ‘funny how nobody asked …’and which school did YOU go tae, son?’…. when the khaki suits were being dished out’….

            • Clarkston – a notoriously orange part of Airdrie, got dubbed ‘Airdrie’s answer to the Shankill Road’.

              I used to deliver papers there when I was about 15. One of my customers saw my green/white school tie one morning. The look of disdain on his puss was noticeable, to say the least.

              Next morning I found graffiti had been scrawled on the letterbox…’Rangers…..FTP……1690′, etc. Pathetic!

              • Pat and FOOF,

                You’ve both strayed off the subject somewhat – it’s PC we are discussing, not bigotry. I’m feeling guilty at not implementing our policy to delete off topic comments, so don’t push me now. End of THAT discussion, please and thank you, although you’re free to meet down the pub and continue your walk down Bigotry Lane – I know some great pubs in … er… Airdrie 😀

  2. I must say I hadn’t thought of it like that, that the disabled want to be treated as able-bodied – that’s a very good point.

    The fact that the mimic took place in 2015 and is now being published widely, does point to the anti-Trump motive more than any concern for respect for the disabled.

    • That is a very good point about equal treatment. Either you get it across the board or you’re not really getting equality at all.

  3. I was interested when Donald Trump described Streep as “overrated” as an actress. I have never considered her to be a good actress. I’ve only seen her in a few films, but I am on record (with those watching the films with me!) as saying that she always plays the same part. I mean by that, that she seems to be just herself, not acting a part.

    It’s always amazing, I think, to see how some can act very different parts and do so convincingly. Meryl Streep however, uses the same (long miserable, or wan smile!) faces, and hand movements; little girl feminist type brushes to her face, and halting speech – always the same acting, no matter the part. Now, I haven’t seen every film in which she’s featured, that’s for sure and partly because if she’s in it, I think “no point” but that’s one reason why I tend to agree with Donald on this. She spent most of her speech attacking Donald Trump for his mimic, so presumably she didn’t have too many people to thank for her acting success. I rest my case! 😀

    • Don’t often agree with you Ed but your spot on here and I also agree with you on her limitations as an actress. She does play the same part ( To Me Also ) all of the time . One other terrible facet of her is that she seems condescending every time she tries to act .

  4. The point has also been made that Streep has previously given a public standing ovation to a child rapist (Roman Polanski) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4102026/PIERS-MORGAN-Sorry-Meryl-hypocritical-anti-Trump-rant-easily-worst-performance-career-apart-time-gave-child-rapist-standing-ovation.html How un-PC is that? It appears that Meryl is only ‘PC’ when it suits her – as is always the case with those who espouse ‘PC values’. ‘PC’ positions are largely taken by liberals to wrong-foot those who they disagree with or dislike.

    I remember when I used to work for a government department, I had a conversation with a member of staff who was responsible for investigating internal complaints regarding breaches of so-called ‘diversity and equality’ issues. He admitted to me that the majority of allegations were not really based on any kind of so-called ‘ism’ or ‘phobia’ – it was more often a case of a simple personality clash and the ‘ism’ / ‘phobia’ charge was merely being used as an excuse by one party to wrong-foot the other.

    • Westminster Fly,

      That’s a great article and I am amazed. I have never rated Piers Morgan but he certainly came up with the goods in that article. I especially noted this bit:

      “It’s also a fact that no president in modern times has been so anti-press, or so intent on attacking press freedom, as Barack Obama, one of Streep’s heroes.
      Under his administration, the US government has set a new record for withholding Freedom of Information Act requests. Obama’s also used the Espionage Act to prosecute whistleblowers who leak to journalists more times than all previous administrations COMBINED.
      So yes, the stench of hypocrisy throughout Streep’s speech was putridly pungent.”

      That’s also the first time I’ve read anywhere that Donald Trump denies mimicking the journalist and that he’d used that movement before to mimic other people not disabled. See how we only get the bits of information the press want us to get, to make sure we come to the wrong conclusion? It’s a disgrace.

  5. Shortly after this flap first appeared, I saw an article which claimed that the video allegedly showing Trump mimicking a disabled reporter was a cut-and-paste job – much like the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination. In other words, he was talking about something else when he made those gestures. Of course, now I can’t find the article….

    As for PC, the election of Trump was entirely a revolt against the PC sickness, the whole broad scheme of it: open borders, same-sex “marriage,” “transgenders” demanding the “right” to use bathrooms reserved for the opposite sex, racial profiling to prevent calling Muslim terrorists…Muslim terrorists, gun control, “hate” crimes, etc.

    PC is an essential part of the Frankfurt School’s Marxist scheme to demoralize and destroy Western culture by progressively introducing rot in every corner of it (just like the Conciliar Popes have gradually introduced Protestantism into the Catholic Church). It has succeeded, until now, because it clothes itself in the guise of “compassion” and “enlightenment” through the distortion of such buzz words as “tolerance,” “diversity,” and “inclusion.” In other words, those (including Meryl Streep) who subscribe to and approve of these irrational, immoral and depraved behaviors (including those who practice these behaviors) are made to feel good about themselves and are placed on the moral high ground, from whence they can sneer at, ridicule and persecute those who refuse to abandon their Christian, civilized values.

    It is the identical strategy used by our Lutheran Pope Francis, who constantly babbles about his false definition of “mercy” (a false definition introduced at the very start of the revolution by John XXIII) in order to claim a moral imperative for his destruction of Catholic dogma, and in order to denounce those who resist.

    That said, those who were counting on the success of the “boiled frog syndrome” have apparently miscalculated, and turned up the heat too fast. The frogs are jumping out of the pot by the millions.

    • RCA Victor,

      Great comment. I couldn’t agree more.

      But are the frogs jumping out of the pot by the millions, jumping out just because of Pope Francis, Amoris, the Dubia etc , or do they now realise that the reforms of Vatican II need to be reversed?

      • Josephine,

        Actually, I was referring to the secular pot (e.g. Brexit, Trump, and several Brexit copycat movements in Europe). However, here in the USA, I believe about 50% of Catholics voted for Clinton, who is nothing more than a PC pawn. In other words, still plenty of Catholic frogs asleep in the secular pot.

        Not sure how many Catholic frogs are jumping out of the Church because of Francis though. Doesn’t seem like very many. I’d say the vast majority of Catholics still think that whatever the Pope says is good enough for them. As for the clergy, one would hope that the percentage of liberated frogs is much higher, even though they are still largely silent about it.

        • I see. I thought it was too good to be true that millions of Catholics were coming to their senses, LOL!

    • RCA Victor,

      That’s a fantastic article. I copied this bit in case I forgot the gist of it to quote here,by the time I got back, LOL!

      “Codevilla accurately goes back to the writings of Machiavelli in search of the modern concept of political correctness. Machiavelli recognized that the revolutionary state had to control, suppress, and ultimately replace the existing attitudes of the public toward morality and culture. But it is not easy to do this. If the state pushes too hard, there will be push back.

      This is what modern PC advocates, who are leftists and progressives, refuse to acknowledge. They believe that they can push and push and push against the standards of Western civilization, and the peons of the general public are going to have to go along with it. But they aren’t, and they won’t, and we are now seeing significant political resistance. The progressives are not prepared for this. They have nothing but contempt for the standards of the broad mass of the American people: “bourgeois morality.” They expect to be able to control the public because they control the media. But as the Trump election indicates, the Left is incorrect. This is why this article is so important.”

      I would add that the BREXIT vote is also a put-down to political correctness. They’re still trying to brand those of us who voted out as “racists” etc. but now most people are saying “who cares what they think” instead of trying to defend themselves. The “push back” has begun.

    • Victor am not good at pasting links but if you find it there is Mr El President Obama himself saying that he was at a Bowling Alley but he was Bowling like someone from The Special Olympics . Of course you can’t expect Ms Streep to catch the faults of all sitting in The Highest Seat in the land.

  6. I don’t think it is possible to keep on the right side of the ever-changing PC rules! 😆

    Apart from that, I think Trump mimicking the disabled reporter was despicable. It is not, in my opinion, a case of PC- it just points to a lack of basic decency. It doesn’t really matter whether the incident happened in 2015 or earlier, the incident shows the caliber of the man!

    People with disabilities did not choose to be born that way; their wanting to be treated equally does not give anybody license to make fun of their disabilities – publicly. Trump is no knight in shining armor nor is he a defender of ‘conservative’ values.

    Maybe RCA Victor can correct me on this but Trump is as pro-life as Hillary is!

    • Jobstears,

      I think the point is that Donald Trump has used those movements before to mimic able-bodied people – there’s a photo proving that in one of the links above, and if disabled people want to be treated like everyone else, as we keep being told is the PC thing to do, well they can’t have their cake and eat it, because if able-bodied people can be mimicked, so can disabled people. I’m not saying I agree with that but that’s what is being said on the thread here. Mimics always pick something that is different about a person to make fun of – that’s what most comics do, in fact. I think our societies have become far too touchy about this sort of thing.

      Re prolife – I think Donald Trump is a lot better in pro-life matters than Killary! He is appointing pro-life judges isn’t he, and defunding Planned Parenthood. So, as far as pro-life goes, he was easily the best candidate, although, as you say, RCA Victor will confirm that.

      • Lily,

        I am no fan of Hilary! As far as Trump goes, the absence of evil is not a positive good. I am skeptical and more than a little ‘salty’ as my family tells me 😆

    • Jobstears,

      I agree – it’s not possible to keep on the right side of the ever-changing PC rules!

      I also agree that it’s a case of basic decency not to poke fun at disabled people because they’re disabled, although I think it’s being used by the media to fuel the propaganda war against Donald Trump. I just wish this nonsense about equality would stop – it just doesn’t work. We can’t all be “equal”.

      • Nicky, I agree!!! We can’t all be equal!

        The insanity with PC is unbelievable in academic settings. It made me afraid to open my mouth for fear of inadvertently offending somebody!

    • Obviously you don’t think there is much between Clinton and Trump. Time will tell . Clinton would have stayed on the same path as The Worst President in American history. Whether Trump will do as he says and call out Terrorists as Islamists Etc remains to be seen . The very fact that he has to follow Obama who when he had the chance to talk politics with Putin only wanted to talk about Homosexual and Transgender rights in Russia. Who also gave his Muslim pals in Iran countless $Billions and put the boot into Israel means to me that there is some mess to sort out . At least maybe Christians will not be persecuted as easily by the LGBTQIXYZ Alphabet Squad that at least would be a start . Also the Mass Abortion Industry in the U.S. is running scared and Soros is now once again turning his money and power into buying out the Irish which with the way things are going over there won’t cost him much, unfortunately.

    • Jobstears,

      Steven C just posted the link above which proves that the Trump mimicking is just another media lie. I hope you are not gauging the caliber of Trump’s character based on the orchestrated character assassination of him by the fifth column media.

      As for Trump’s position on abortion, it was indeed liberal in the past, but more recently he claims to have come down on the right side of the issue. For example: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-abortion-politics-idUSKBN14U2I2

      • Thank you, for the links, RCA Victor! And no, I am not gauging Trump’s character on that incident, I hadn’t really given it much thought until this topic on CT. And frankly, I don’t trust the media whether they endorse candidates or demonize them.

        As for Trump’s stand on abortion, maybe he will come down on the right side, one can hope and pray.

      • I’m not about to judge Trump’s character based on the media. It’s enough for me that he’s not Hilary, and has promised (for what it’s worth – time will tell and I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt) that he’ll be more of a protector of the innocent defenceless than she ever would be. If he mimicked a disability, then that was a disgusting and demeaning act,unworthy of anyone wishing to be called a man, and there can be no excuse for it – not even the excuse that the disabled want to be as disrespected as the rest of us. I don’t doubt the venom and lies of the media, but I’m not so sure of the facts, and of The Donald, to be able to denounce that particular atrocity as a lie. Whatever. As for Meryl, I think she’s a great actress (editor, pistols for two, coffee for one), but the day I take notice of the opinion of a tool of the “entertainment” industry, it’ll be because they’ve either received a Divine revealation, or because my mind has finally disintegrated.

        • Therese,

          You’ve asked for it now. I’ll be doing my Meryl Streep impersonation when I see you in May at the Conference (well, after the Conference, to be precise) … I’ll impersonate her in every one of her films that I’ve seen… if I can remember both titles. 😀

    • Jobstears,

      I believe Trump changed his mind about abortion and I was impressed with his comments in one of the presidential debates when he said it was disgraceful or something to that effect, to abort.

      I have also heard that he knows about Fatima and has shown an interest in it.

      Obviously, he’s not perfect and his lifestyle is not as we would like it to be, but I do think he will actually make a great President. I have quite a strong feeling about that, though can’t explain it. I think all the forces of evil have been gathered against him and the same forces were desperate for Hilary to win, so it may have something to do with that – I think he’ll come through and surprise everyone. I do hope so.

  7. Frankly, I don’t care about Trump’s antics at all, though some may be in bad taste. In comparison with the demons on the “progressive left”, included amongst whom are the vast majority of morons known as “celebrities”, he is a shining angel. Poor America. Without a Royal Family or an aristocracy, they have to look up to appalling people such as these Hollywood Harridans.

  8. The general feeling is that Streep’s inappropriate, completely out of place, remarks about Donald Trump were motivated more by political than humanitarian views. Hardly surprising given this extract from Wikipedia:

    “When asked if religion plays a part in her life in 2009, Streep replied: “I follow no doctrine. I don’t belong to a church or a temple or a synagogue or an ashram.” In an interview in December 2008, she also alluded to her lack of religious belief when she said: “So I’ve always been really, deeply interested, because I think I can understand the solace that’s available in the whole construct of religion. But I really don’t believe in the power of prayer, or things would have been avoided that have happened, that are awful. So it’s a horrible position as an intelligent, emotional, yearning human being to sit outside of the available comfort there. But I just can’t go there.”

    When asked from where she draws consolation in the face of aging and death, Streep responded: “Consolation? I’m not sure I have it. I have a belief, I guess, in the power of the aggregate human attempt – the best of ourselves. In love and hope and optimism – you know, the magic things that seem inexplicable. Why we are the way we are. I do have a sense of trying to make things better. Where does that come from?”

    Politically, Streep has described herself as part of “the Left.” She gave a speech at the 2016 Democratic National Convention in support of presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.”

    Much of the ruination of morals in the world has come about through Hollywood and its overpaid acolytes. Meryl Streep is just typical of the utterly atheistic spirit of that horrendous and unhappy place of greed, filth and blasphemy. It is, in the true sense of the word, a Hell hole whose products have gravely damaged the minds and souls of generations of young people. So it is not at all surprising that Meryl Streep gnashed her teeth in public about Donald Trump. Note that she had nothing to say about the Clintons and their favouring of partial brth abortion. Tells us all we need to know about this poor woman!

  9. The original comment about Streep surely comes from Proverbs 11:22 ….’beauty in a woman, without good judgement, is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout’….

  10. I have a special request for our bloggers: could you please add the “Prayer to Defeat Revolutionary Men” to your prayers, indefinitely, for Donald Trump and the USA, for the following intentions:

    1. For the protection of President-Elect and President Donald Trump, and his presidency, against the evil forces arrayed against him.
    2. For the destruction and defeat of the evil designs to destroy America.
    3. That American be rebuilt under the Social Reign of Christ the King.

    If you don’t know this prayer, here it is (from the Holy Face booklet distributed by John Vennari):

    “Eternal Father, I offer Thee the Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and all the instruments of His Holy Passion, that Thou mayest put division in the camp of They enemies, for as Thy Beloved Son hath said, “a kingdom divided against itself shall fall.”

  11. Clearly it was not that Donald Trump wanted to treat the reporter as an equal human being with all the necessary attributes. His action was clearly to hurt the reporter and to make a fool of the reporter but also to ridicule all handicapped people.

    Funny that we see here so called Christian pictures by respondents who seem not to mind the unchristian attitude Donald Trump has taken all the election period. For sure a Christian should respect all creatures, man, animals and plants, something what Mr. Trump showed not to do.

    • Christadelphians,

      You must have missed the report which Steven C posted above, showing that Donald Trump has been misrepresented by alleging that he mocked a disabled reporter. He did not.
      https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability/

      I did not take point about “PC” (in the blog blue comment) as meaning that it was unimportant if a disabled person was mocked but to point out the changing goal posts of the PC promoters. Meryl Streep hasn’t been known for working for disabled rights or to help the disabled in any way so it’s obvious that she is raking this up two years on because she wanted Killary Clinton to win the election and is a very bad loser. If she was genuinely concerned about the disabled she’d not be supporting Clinton who is all for murdering disabled babies in the womb, along with any other “unwanted” baby.

      I hope you realise how un-Christian Barack Obama was all through his presidency, even to having “happy holidays” on his “Christmas card” and how un-Christian all the so-called Catholics in his administration were/are – all of them pro-abortion, I think I’m correct in saying.

      Donald Trump is being savaged by a biased media. I think he should be given a chance to prove himself. I just can’t believe how he is being attacked before he enters the White House. IMHO I think his enemies are hoping to stop him being inaugurated. That’s why they are making a big deal of the alleged Russian hacking, even while admitting that that sort of thing is commonplace among nations. I don’t believe any of the allegations against Trump, because I don’t trust the media as far as I could throw them.

      • We do know you celebrate the birth of Christ not on his birthday but on the pagan holy day of the 25th of December, but what is then wrong of some one wishing you “a “happy holidays” on his “Christmas card””?
        (though he too celebrates Christmas°

        • You still believe that propaganda about Christmas? Gerragrip.

          Even the modernist, Pope Benedict XVI squashed that nonsense about the link to pagan festivals, in his book Spirit of the Liturgy:

          “The claim used to be made that December 25 developed in opposition to the Mithras myth, or as a Christian response to the cult of the unconquered sun promoted by Roman emperors in the third century in their efforts to establish a new imperial religion. However, these old theories can no longer be sustained. The decisive factor was the connection of creation and Cross, of creation and Christ’s conception (p. 105-107).”

          In any case, we know one thing for sure: The evidence that 25th December held a special significance for Christians pre-dates claims of a festival of pagan gods on that day.

          And the fact that you are not shocked at the attempts – even by an American President – to take Christ out of Christmas and to make the date marking His birthday, nothing more than one more holiday, speaks volumes.

          I doubt if you are a Catholic – your opening remark “We do know that you celebrate the birth of Christ….” (“you” not “we”) – so I make allowances for your ignorance of the fact that the Church Fathers have, from the beginning, abhorred all connection of Christianity to paganism. There is no way they would have settled on 25th December because it (you claim) had a connection to fictitious pagan gods.

          And President Obama’s “Christmas card” was nothing more than a photograph of him, his wife and his daughters. Nice photo, but not remotely anything to do with Christmas. For that, you need Our Lady, St Joseph and the baby in the manger. At least.

          Get it, now?

            • Christadelphians

              You’ll need to explain that riddle in a little more detail. Sounds like a contradiction to me. If you’re denying the divinity of Christ, as seems to be the case, then you’re really a humanist falsely claiming to be Christian. It really is that simple.

                • Christadelphians

                  If you reject the Trinity then you are a Muslim, not a Christian.

                  Christ said “I and my Father are one” and “Before Abraham was, I Am” These are just two clear declarations of Jesus Christ that He is God.

                  Christ Jesus was not the leader of a humanist movement. He is God made man, not man made god.

        • > what is then wrong of some one wishing you “a “happy holidays” on his “Christmas card””?

          Perhaps such an expression is offensive to people who are not happy?

          • We do not say it is wrong to wish somebody a nice day or a happy holiday. But we say Christians themselves should not celebrate Christmas day. They should keep off from any pagan feast and not be part of the world.

            • I don’t think Christians really care what you think of Christmas Day and whether ot not it should be celebrated. Besides, non-Christians like yourself are pagan by default and that means you should be happy with the thought that a pagan feast (in your mind) is being celebrated.

            • I’ve already explained to you, pretty clearly, that the evidence that 25th December held a special significance for Christians pre-dates claims of a festival of pagan gods on that day. The early Christians shunned all things pagan, so please don’t believe all the propaganda merchants. They’re lying. Simple as that.

            • There is nothing pagan about Christmas. In the days of the Julian Calendar it was actually celebrated 13 days later than it is now, and many Eastern Rite Christians still keep it then. When the Gregorian Calendar was introduced Christmas was moved to it’s present date which just happens to coincide with a pagan festival. The fact that Christmas is celebrated at the same time as a pagan festival doesn’t make it pagan, anymore than Easter is a Jewish festival just because it lands at the the same time as Passover.

    • Christadelphians

      The entire thing was a stitch up, a carefully constructed comparison of picture clips designed to impress on societies useful idiots the message that Trump’s enemies were trying to convey.

      At any rate, give me a disrespectful Trump any day to all those smiling, soft talking pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-war hypoctrites who stand as alternatives. I like Trump’s straight talk and so do many other people. It was his openness and non-PC approach that got him elected. The corporate-sponsored destroyers of society got the big boot this time and they’re biting their tongues with hate against Trump. Can you not see that?

      • > It was his openness and non-PC approach that got him elected.

        For Catholics, his goal to appoint pro-life Supreme Court justices was telling.

        For the rest, the top concern was a desire to limit illegal immigrants and so address concerns over the loss of jobs for citizens (to say nothing of the increase in violent crime committed by the illegal immigrants).

        We’ll see if Trump follows through on his campaign promises.

      • You should have to agree that more people voted for Hillary Clinton, but your American voting system is not really very democratic and made Trump to be preferred by some electoral men.

        • Christadelphians

          1. We aren’t Americans, so it isn’t our voting system.
          2. What’s your view on abortion?

          • Normally no one has the right to take the life of any other human being. Even an unborn child is a living being and as such a creature of God.
            As such there may also not be a death penalty, what a lot of fighters against abortion do seem to forget.

            Though there can be circumstances where for the safety of the mother and unborn child, certain measures have to be taken – and this only in the beginning of pregnancy.

            By rape we are not against the morning after pill, which we would not consider as such as being an abortion, though in certain countries certain believers would consider that also to be an abortion.

            • Christadelphians

              So, “normally” no one has the right to take the life of any other human being”, although in your view, in certain circumstances, we can take the life of another human being? Are you against capital punishment in all cases, or are there certain circumstances when you will allow that?

              You are not against the morning after pill because you don’t consider that as being an abortion. So, in your opinion, despite scientific and medical evidence proving that human life begins at conception, you have decided to ignore that fact, because the human life in question is too unformed/tiny to be afforded dignity, as though worth is decided on size or age. Is that correct?

              • As we said we may not take the life of some one else and as such capital punishment is out of order.

                When a foetus is so deformed or has no life chances or could bring the mother in danger, for medical reasons abortions could take place after some serious consideration.

                Concerning the morning after pill you can not call it a life when the few hours after a person had sex with each other a person would take that pill. (As we said we would not call that abortion and in medicine there is also not spoken about a human life at that stadium in conception, even possibly not having had any conception at all – but for security a pill being taken)

                On our lifestyle magazine From Guestwriters you may find a series of article on that matter.

                • Christadelphians

                  So, you believe that deformed human beings can be killed? You don’t think murders should be killed, but it’s OK to kill someone who is deformed? Do you actually think about what you believe in??? Under what moral law do you justify such an abomination?

                  …in medicine there is also not spoken about a human life at that stadium in conception

                  Wrong. If human life does not begin at conception, when does it? Do tell.

                • Christadelphians

                  Yes, there can and should be a death penalty, and in fact there always was until the liberal elite took control of affairs about 50 years ago.

                  The Scriptural texts are filled with references to the death penalty being licit for those who seriously offend against the common good, such as murderers. And did not Jesus Himself say that anyone who scandalises one of His little ones would be better to have a millstone placed around his neck and be cast into the deepest river?

                  There is such a thing as a just war and there is such a thing as a just killing of very serious criminals. God permits both to preserve the common good of society from corruption and/or enslavement. Strange that no one cares a hoot about the murder of millions of innocents in the womb but will jump to the defence of the murdering rapist, advocating his human rights. The devil’s trademark is to turn justice on its head so that it protects the guilty and declares open season on the innocent.

                  And no, there is absolutely no justification for taking an innocent human life in the womb, whether on the false argument of rape or the fallacious argument that a less than perfectly healthy child should be eliminated. That was Nazi and Stalinist eugenics that no civilised society should ever adopt.

                  The Catholic Church alone stands for the truth and for humanity in these matters, all false relgions are prepared to compromise with Satan.

                • Christadelphians

                  I’ve been away from my computer for hours and about to disappear again for quite a bit, so I’m not able to check out all of your posts for now. I will read each one asap.

                  However, if you read our In-House rules, you will see that, while non-Catholics are welcome to blog here, we cannot permit prolonged attacks on either Catholic doctrine or the natural moral order.

                  Thus, for the moment, I am moderating your comments to see if there is any sign that you are engaging in genuine discussion with our bloggers.

                  I hope you understand. If not, that falls into the category, “too bad”. 😀

                  Luv ‘n stuff…

                • Christadelphians,

                  I sometimes despair of people because so few think outside the box – i.e. the TV box. The entire population just parrots what they hear in the news (news being in inverted commas).

                  Who ever thinks to enquire more deeply about women who have been raped and who conceive a child as a result? Here’s an extract from one report:

                  …Abortion often is pushed on victims of rape when they are pregnant, but many victims later have said that their abortions only added to their trauma. Some have even said that their abortions felt like a second act of violence against themselves and their unborn child.

                  Three women who were victims of rape shared their stories with Missouri legislators in 2014 when the state was considering a new 72-hour waiting period for abortions…
                  Read the entire report here

                  Then stop drinking in daft propaganda – whether it’s about the date of Christmas, or abortion.

        • Christadelphia

          No, more people voted for Donald Trump and that’s why he’s president. I watched the entire election process on the night, so don’t know where you got that strange idea.

          • Well the ciphers of those who voted and are counted are in favour of Clinton; You can not deny the pure numbers. The numbers of votes speak for themselves. Please find them in your newspapers and political magazines and look at the ciphers of the central national office of statistics and international press agencies.

          • Athanasius, according to the latest results, the votes cast for each candidate was (sorry if I sound like a Presiding Officer)
            Clinton: 65,316,724 Trump: 62,719,568 giving Clinton 2,597.156 more votes. I say the latest results because it seems that in some places they are still counting!!!
            According to an article about the US voting system the person with most votes is not always the winner because it is up to the Electoral College in each state to decide who that state elects. Apparently, even if a candidate were to get 60% of the popular vote in a state the Electoral College can ignore that and give the state’s backing to the other candidate. Even Donald Trump has said that it’s a corrupt system.

            • Vianney

              It sounds very similar to the massive popular vote for UKIP in the last election and yet they didn’t, as far as I recall, get a single MP elected. It definitely seems like something is seriously amiss with the voting systems on both sides of the pond. I’m quite glad of it on this occasion because it got Trump elected and preserved the world from the almost certain global war that Clinton was intent on.

            • Vianney et al,

              I dare say the vast bulk, if not all of the 2.5 million alleged plurality for Clinton was due to massive vote fraud practiced with regularity at each election by the Democrats (and actually admitted by one of their operatives!), who transport large numbers of ineligible voters to the polls, including illegal immigrants and homeless people, to vote – at least once! For example: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/07/mcauliffe-gives-60000-felons-voting-right-swing-state-virginia/

              However, this corrupt reality aside, there remains the more important reality, which is that the winner of Presidential elections is not and has never been determined by a popular vote. This system was deliberately designed to avoid what is politely known as “direct democracy,” which is a euphemism for mob rule. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-reason-for-the-electoral-college/

              Those who natter on about this are either deliberately ignorant or just sore losers – or both.

        • The British voting system is no different, because we, in Scotland, always get the government the English voted for. For years we had Conservative governments lording over us, as now, although we voted Labour, so what’s the difference? Even before devolution, we had that same system which meant we got the government that the English voted for not us – unless the English voted for Labour as well.

          • Is it not than time that civilians demand a more correct voting system? Too often citizens let them be tricked by politicians, instead of making a proper choice and have enough people going to the ballot office to bring out their voice and vote.

        • > your American voting system is not really very democratic…

          If by “not really very democratic” you mean that the United States does not decide every issue on a simple majority among all eligible voters (i.e. mob rule), then you are correct – the United States is a representative republic, where the rights of all citizens (not just the majority) are protected by relying on elected individuals who represent the people; elections providing the opportunity for change in leadership.

          If, on the other hand, by “not really very democratic” you mean that the United States does not have a highly participatory form of government, then you’re cordially invited to provide concrete contemporary examples of a place that is up to your standards. Perhaps you imagine that crew in Brussels is doing a fine job of representing the member states of the EU – every man has his say, that sort of thing?

          • WurdeSmythe,

            Very well put. What I have noticed about those who claim to idolise democracy is the sour grapes they display when the vote goes against them. I see from today’s news that gangs of hippies in many parts of the world have turned out in demonstration against Trump’s Presidency. I wonder who’s organising that global fiasco? It certainly isn’t spontaneous!

            We in the UK have witnessed a similar teeth gnashing by those who didn’t like the Brexit result. And of course the media are in the liberal camp, peddling propaganda rather than news.

  12. Respect is given to Almighty God and the truth only, not to animals, and certainly not to plants! Animals and plants are given by God to serve Man (homo, not vir), and be used by him (homo).

  13. Just a word or two on the “Christadelphian” cult:

    “Christadelphians – Deception and Denial
    As with many pseudo-Christian groups, Christadelphianism claims to follow Christian doctrines. Though they have a belief that there is only one God, Christadelphians’ doctrine is clearly non-Christian (James 2:19). One of their tenets states that the Bible is “the inerrant and infallible Word of God,” yet Christadelphianism denies:

    the doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)1 (Matthew 28:19).
    Jesus’ existence prior to His incarnation2 (Revelation 1:8).
    Jesus is God in flesh3 (Colossians 2:9).
    Jesus died in our place for sin4 (1 Peter 2:24).
    the personhood and deity of the Holy Spirit5 (John 16:13-15).
    salvation by grace through faith alone6 (Ephesians 2:8).
    the immortality of the soul, that a person exists after death7 (1 Corinthians 15:42-44).
    the existence of the fallen angel Lucifer (Satan)8 (Luke 10:18).
    the existence of hell and eternal punishment9 (Matthew 25:41, 46).”

    http://www.allaboutcults.org/christadelphians.htm

    • RCA Victor,

      A thousand thanks for that – I’ve been meaning to investigate them and, in fact, had Googled a few days ago, only to be distracted by another task, never to return! So, thank you very much. That makes the agenda of our latest troll-like blogger, Christadelphians, very clear – not to be taken seriously at any cost, folks.

      Thank you again, RCA Victor. Your name is now written in the Book of Bonuses (for next Christmas!)

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