Voris Fighting the Wrong Battle… Again!

From Catholic Family News…

[Yesterday] Michael Voris once again attacked the SSPX, this time for the SSPX’s strong reaction to the New Mass. But is Voris’ outrage properly directed? Are Catholics actually bound to accept a Protestantized New Liturgy? And what about those who impose – and who to impose – this “banal on-the-spot fabrication” on the Catholic world. Contains quotations from men who rejoiced — at the time of the Council itself — that Vatican II’s liturgical reform “destroy the uniformity of the Roman Rite.”  Source

Comment:

Well? Is John Vennari of Catholic Family News right?  Is Voris’s rage against the SSPX misplaced? Should it be re-directed to question the (lack of) right of the churchmen who imposed this new Mass on the faithful? And before you answer that, take a deep breath and think of those quotes from both modernist priests and Protestants…

21 responses

  1. Madame Editor,

    This is an excellent exposition by John Vennari of the choice facing Catholics who are tiring of the make-it-up-as-you-go-along attitude in much of today’s Conciliar church. Thank you for making it available. I have already shared a copy with a colleague of many years who loyally views everything in the Conciliar church from a Traditional viewpoint and who steadfastly refuses to even consider the SSPX as an alternative guide for saving his soul – so far – claiming up to now that he has no problem.

    I read today on the French SSPX website La Porte Latine [The Latin Gate] of a Polish Archbishop who spent 20 years on Missionary work in Bolivia and is now Bishop of Oruro there, and who has banned the receiving of Communion in the hand throughout all the parishes in his diocese as from August 15 2015.

    If more would follow his example, I wonder how long it would be before a tide of opposition to Vatican II and its reforms welled up.

    Here is a link to a picture of the good Archbishop:

    • Leprechaun,

      This ” claiming up to now that he has no problem.” is one of the most common reasons given by people to justify their continued attendance at the new Mass. It reveals their lack of understanding that it is the Mass itself which is the problem – not just any particular version of it, whether “quite orthodox” “very reverent” or whatever. They just don’t get it. At least, not yet. Let’s hope John Vennari’s excellent video helps some more of them to move on from that rationale.

    • Leprechaun,

      That’s good that another bishop has joined Bishop Schneider is stopping Communion in the hand, but why stop at that? Why don’t these bishops just say “enough is enough. Let’s go back to the way things were before Vatican II and start again.”

      I say that because I think the bishops who realise the danger of Communion in the hand are probably closet TLM sympathisers. I wish they would all “come out” and take whatever comes their way, as a result. They’ll get flack anyway for their stand on Communion in the hand, so might as well go the whole hog, IMHO.

  2. Michael Voris disagrees with Bishop Athanasius Schneider that the SSPX is not in schism. His claims remain that the SSPX are in “schism”.

    Does he in fact not understand the serious crisis in the Catholic Church that emanated from the Second Vatican II? Is he claiming that the New Mass (a banal on the spot fabrication) is superior to the Traditional Latin Mass?

    His time might well be better spent in demanding that Pope Francis and the Bishops ensure that the Traditional Mass be offered up in every parish, in every country. Were the Martyrs so wrong in dying in defence of the Mass and Catholic Doctrines?

    • Theresa Rose

      Were the Martyrs so wrong in dying in defence of the Mass and Catholic Doctrines?

      That is what I keep asking. How can it be right to have replaced the TLM with a Mass that is word for word the same as an Anglican Communion Service, which so many martyrs refused to attend on pain of death. It’s just incredible to think that if those martyrs returned to the UK today, they would be stunned to see what is going on in the name of the Catholic Church.

  3. Have upgraded to Windows 10 and am having problems in copying and pasting articles. The above article is from Fetzen Fliegen A Remnant newspaper blog – written by Christopher Ferrara and titled:
    Voris obtains – “Clarification” from Bishop Athanasius Schneider which confirms SSPX not in “Schism”

    There is a mention that the “Current Situation of the Church is similar to that of the Arian Crisis in the 4th Century”.

    But, perhaps Michael Voris does not see anything wrong with the New Mass of Pope Paul VI.
    But I can and have been wrong before.

  4. The Vennari video is a real WOW! talk. It is so short and to the point, and packed with fantastic quotes. I’m going to watch it again and again and try to quote that stuff to my novus ordo friends who don’t actually know (or want to know) the truth about the new Mass.

    • Fidelis,

      Good luck in your efforts, and more power to your elbow.

      Try offering your Novus Ordo friends a Miraculous Medal to carry around in their purse/wallet and ask Our Lady to open their eyes to the Truth.

  5. Well said Leprechaun. It is a spiritual blindness. Some of us took a while before we stopped going to the NO Mass and it was only due God’s grace, with the help of friend’s influence and reading Michael Davie books that the full truth dawned on me.

    However I was always uncomfortable about Eucharistic ministers and got myself into deep trouble (ie removed from being a catechist)when as a catechist I taught that the Holy Mass is a sacrifice and a re-enactment of Christ’s death on Calvary.

    Vennari tells the truth as it is, …the NO is a protestant service and is just what Luther wanted from the start of the reformation. Our priests have (mostly) lost their authority as the lay folk run the church and the Pope his papal crown and authority so that all bishops and priest more or less do their own thing as in the Anglican church where they make it up as they go along.

  6. The fact is that most Catholics were never taught the Faith, so they were defenceless when these changes were forced upon us. As far as I can judge in my locality,the majority of NO “Catholics” are old people, ie late sixties plus, who use the church as a meeting place. Then there are those who deplore the changes but “must be obedient to the Pope and the priest”, and who voraciously seek out “revelations”, and the latest “messages” from Our Lady – no matter how subtly heretical these “messages” are. Mostly the heresies aren’t so subtle now. Strangely, they take a great deal of comfort in the chastisement to come, basically because this chastisement isn’t going to affect them or their lapsed children because they’re surrounding them with a “circle of continuous prayer” to keep them safe, blah blah. You simply can’t get through to this latter kind.

    Satan’s a clever devil, and had a shoe to fit all sizes. As Clotilde says, it’s a spiritual blindness which it seems Truth will not penetrate.

    • This is what I don’t understand you say most Catholics were never taught the faith how can this be if they are in their late sixties.surely this takes them before Vatican two and you would assume that they had parents who took them to the mass of old.I can understand why the young of today know nothing .

      • Morgana

        They were given the basics, which was enough in times gone by to get you to Heaven; frequent confession and reception of the Blessed Sacrament, recitation of the rosary etc; obedience to authority; they were not taught in depth about the Faith, and without this depth of knowledge and understanding of the Truth they were unable to understand fully what was happening or to stand firm against the winds of change, most particularly when those winds blew from those they had been taught to respect and obey.

        I well remember many tedious discussions after the Rosary group my mother used to host, with confused Catholics explaining that the Pope wasn’t really the Pope, that he had a double, that he was a prisoner in the Vatican, that these changes weren’t really coming from him, that Our Lady had told yet another of the myriad “visionaries” that we must just obey and wait for the chastisement when “all would be made right” etc etc. Those who remain are now firmly in the camp of the Two Patricks and others of their ilk, and have completely separated themselves from any meaningful Catholic dialogue or resistance. They are unable to argue cogently about the tenets of the Faith.

  7. John Vennari got it absolutely spot on in that video response to Michael Voris, but I suspect it will make no difference to him. No truly educated Catholic could make the accusations Voris repeatedly makes, ignoring all the facts, and still expect to be considered a man of good will and objectivity. It seems to me that there are people in high places he does not wish to offend.

    People like Michael Voris are much more dangerous to Catholic souls than outright liberals because they present a semblance of conservatism, thereby lending respectability to a liturgical reform which is destroying the Faith.

  8. Madame Editor,

    For those whose hearts bleed for the willful disregard of Tradition by colleagues who followed their priests into the Novus Ordo wilderness, there is an opportunity coming up to do penance for those endangered souls.

    I refer to the Annual National pilgrimage to Walsingham on Saturday August 5th for which details can be found in a poster on the General Discussion 8 thread for Sunday 23rd August.

    Thank you, Madame Editor, and, for those for whom this penance is a practicality – please undertake it out of love for Our Lady.

  9. Leprechaun

    Permit me to correct the date, which I believe is actually September 5th.

    I once drove down to the Walsingham pilgrimage, 866 miles return without sleep. It was a hard journey, but a grace-filled one. I urge those who can to make the effort for Our Lady. It will not go unrewarded.

    • Athanasius,

      Thank you for correcting me. The pilgrimage is indeed to take place on September 5th.

      May many of the faithful take heed of your example and put themselves out also to undertake this pilgrimage.

      God bless you.

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