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  1. Further to my comment on the last General Discussion, I’ve been advised that if I reinstall my computer’s operating system, I should be able to cope if this new one goes too 500 comments or more. So CT has been of benefit to me, material if not spiritual (yet!). And I wanted to post the first comment!

    • Pew Catholic,

      I laughed when I saw your avatar on the sidebar just now – I KNEW that you wanted to be first on the new thread. Well, that makes you Blogger of the Bi-Month. Cheque in post 😀

      • Dear Editor,

        I don’t know your excellent blog very well, but I notice you do tend to use the lovely old English word “gay” rather than homosexuality, sodomy, pederasty, lesbianism or other more accurate terms.

        To me, this is a great shame. The opponents of abortion, largely supportive of contraception, maybe euthanasia and more of the same ilk as well, so it seems to me, fight us with our words which they appropriate, then manipulate and change the true meanings to suit their own agenda. They know full well that there is nothing to which anyone can take offence when we say “gay”. OTOH, I have noticed those who squirm when they hear the word “sodomy”. I wonder why this should be ? After all, it is official government policy to support and promote sodomy, is it not ? Why on earth are they afraid of the truth ?

        I see nothing wrong in using sodomy, it is and always was a legal term and is an accurate description of the completely disordered action to which it refers.

        I don’t think we must be swept along by their steamroller tactics, rather ought we to defend our position in the light of history and our concern for those practising these sexual activities because of the many dangers to their health – and to their lives – when they do so.
        Thank you and over to you.

        jm

        • JM,

          I do agree with you (and with Pope John Paul II, as it happens) about calling things by their proper name…

          In the case of homosexuality – and I often use that word – if and when I use the term “gay” I place it in inverted commas to mark my outrage that these people have appropriated a beautiful adjective which means “happiness” and “cheerfulness” to describe something very evil indeed – that is, pseudo-sexual activity between two people of the same gender.

          However, I find that if, in discussion (whether oral or written), I refer to it as “sodomy” the whole conversation gets side-tracked into self-defence against the charge of bigotry. I’ve made the very same argument as you make – that this is the correct term, legal term, and an “accurate description of the completely disordered action to which it refers”. Still, the language thing dominates the conversation and I’m usually labelled “homophobic” – gimme strength. I tell them that there’s not a man on the face of the earth who instils fear in my soul, while I’d happily bet money that the men who are not “EditorCT-phobic” are few and far between! 😀

          I also agree with you about not being “steam-rollered” into using the term “gay” – for myself, I decided to give in and use it, but continue to place it in inverted commas, from now until eternity, in an effort to signal my opinion about the abuse of the term, but without the continual side-tracking that comes from NOT using it, if you get my drift.

          Not sure if all of this is clear. If not. Well, I did try. In fact, I’m often told that I’m very trying indeed… 😀

          • Thank you kindly for your reply.

            Certainly, it is difficult, but here is the way I think about it. It’s always a good idea, for me anyway, to try to get my own mindset clear before using a controversial word or term, I find that many Catholics (and others) simply do not want to discuss the issue. But I believe it must be brought out into the open.

            Using the term “sodomy” usually generates some very strange looks and I wait for the “h” word to come up. When it does arrive, I am quick to point out that I merely speak about the action, defo not the person doing the deed. Hat is a private matter, if you like. I say something like “I can talk about communism without being called a fascist and “Right Wing politics” without being called Left Wing. So why do you slap a stupid epithet on me when I dislike certain things that a very small number of men do with each other in private ?” or something like that. My idea is to get people to think about the topic, not to obtain a Damascus moment, that will never happen. Promise, life is not like that.

            Often the Catholic Church and its recent infamous record are introduced as if they were the Ace and King of trumps. My response is that the vile behaviour of certain priests and higher-ranked clergy is utterly vile and condemned in the strongest possible way. Then I remain them that the vast majority concerns sodomitic acts (about 80%) with young men or boys. Few have to do with young girls or infants, God be praised. It’s a diversion tactic in any case and must be resisted.

            To blame the whole of the Church as complicit is as invalid as condemning the whole of the British Police Force for their covering-up of the Pakistani (and other) rapes and vicious sexual exploitation. Just one word and one number says it all : Rotherham, 1400. Of course, we are told, officially, this is just a small part of the general situation, which still prevails. So are the police to be blamed for ALL of this ?

            To be consistent, each and every example of such horrible and reprehensible behaviour must be condemned vociferously, not just one single section of society.

            I repeat, it’s a question of language and the way it’s manipulated. No-one wants to be called a homophobe, as you point out, a phobia means a fear of something and we are unafraid of sodomy, even though we are afraid of its effects, especially on young children. It is an absurd term, but so many of its adherents and supporters take refuge in it.

            The toll these “non-standard” practices takes on those concerned has been shown to be high, physically, mentally and psychologically. No one who has worked with homosexualists or has homosexualist friends will be surprised. Some years ago I saw a suggestion that the “gays” ought really to be called “sads” (be very careful how you type that word) because of the real facts of their modus vivendi.

            Proof of this fact abounds, here is just one. http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2012/01/how-long-do-homosexuals-live/

            Any good priest doing missionary work with homosexualists will tell you how utterly difficult life can be for many of them, frequently ending in alcoholism and despair. Even suicide. One very good and holy priest I had the great good fortune to know well told me about this and difficult it was to recover those lost graces. His view was that we must pray for them rather than criticise them no matter what our own private thoughts might be.

            You are doing God’s work in your apostolate, long may it continue.

            • JS

              I should have emphasised that I never use “gay” in speech. Only in writing and in inverted commas. I stick to “homosexuals” and usually find a place for the “s” word, be assured.

              I think it’s also important to give some follow up route – personally, I point people to the NARTH website where there is plenty of factual information about the consequences of homosexual activity.

              In much haste – today I’m aiming to finish the August newsletter and get it out early for once. So excuse this flying visit – enjoyed reading your post however, and many thanks for your kindly supportive words for the Catholic Truth apostolate. Much appreciated.

  2. Late as usual. As regards the last couple of comments on the closed thread it was part of the UK plan to use tactical nuclear weapons in Germany during the 60s/70s. The British Rhine Army was in situ to stop a Soviet advance to the North Sea/Atlantic coast. This meant halting the Soviet army before it could cross the Rhine, and it was expected that this would be difficult especially in the North German Plain. The British Army had enough supplies to fight conventional battles for a maximum of six weeks. After that, nuclear weapons would be used, even if it meant a first strike by us. We are not always the good guys…

  3. I have not seen much in the Press regarding a new test for Down’s Syndrome that was all over the BBC TV and radio. Only one reason for such a test. If positive, an abortion will follow.

  4. Yes Andrew two good reasons for a rosary crusade in Scotland– from everywhere to get rid of abortion and to end all wars …. How about a great gathering of all Catholics and all who pray!! at Carfin Grotto. When/ Soon!

    Servant of God Fr. Patrick Peyton, please pray for us.

    • Yes indeed Clotilde, and perhaps our bishops might join in and then consecrate Scotland to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

  5. For your information, I have re-opened the Medjugorje thread and linked from our website, following news that a decision is coming soon. Please do not comment on this GD thread (they fill up fast enough as it is) but if you wish to comment click here to post on the Medjugorje thread. Thank you.

  6. I am in Bangkok at the moment. I’ve been told by someone who I think knows what he’s talking about that the local seminary practices Buddhism (which beneath the saffron-coloured front is stuffed full of superstition, forest demons, witches and black magic) and that recently workmen replacing an old ceiling found black magic ritual materials … .

    The mainstream Church to be seems to be wholly in the hands of the devil and his demons, world-wide. Only by the skin of the Holy Ghost’s teeth is the Church not fully his.

    I don’t want anything to do with it anymore.

    • Ben,

      Not “wholly” – Christ has guaranteed that it will never be wholly in the hands of the devil: “The gates of Hell” He assured us, will not prevail.

      We cannot leave the Church, but we can switch to that part of it given to us as a lifeboat in this time of crisis. ‘Nuff said. You know the drill!

      • BJC,

        You are not alone!

        Editor,

        Thank you for this, We cannot leave the Church, but we can switch to that part of it given to us as a lifeboat in this time of crisis. I will pass on this advice to some young adults who are disgusted with the way things are going in the Church. One has threatened to join the Orthodox church (they at least aren’t ashamed of professing what they have always believed); one other is ready to give up being called Catholic because she does not want to be associated with the “Francis Church”, it is a nightmare trying to explain why as a Catholic we may NOT do what the Pope is recommending.

        • Jobstears,

          I totally sympathise. And it doesn’t help when these confused souls meet some of the papolatrists who defend every utterance and deed of this Modernist pope.

          I always quote Our Lady of Quito’s words to Mother Mariana to “pray that my Son will send a prelate to restore the priestly spirit” [in the 20th century].

          I mean, they’re not exactly falling out of the sky, are they, prelates/bishops seeking to restore the priesthood? Seems to me that only ONE bishop fits that description and that is Archbishop Lefebvre.

  7. This video of abort67 displaying posters at the state opening of Parliament, is very shocking, IMHO. The police are openly censoring to protect the Queen from seeing the image. She should have to look, of all people, because signed this particular type of murder into law.

    • Very brave of these campaigners for standing up for their rights on behalf of the unborn. Maybe by their efforts they would have drawn more attention from the passers by who were waiting to see the queen. God bless them.
      Must look up their website as I haven’t heard much about them…..
      info@abort67.co.uk

    • Gabriel Syme,

      Many thanks for posting the news of Fr Noel Barry’s death and the Herald obituary.

      Despite the fact that he was the first priest to threaten us with legal action, at the time of his own court case (or some time thereafter, to be more accurate) I am sorry to learn of his relatively early death. It seems that he has tried to live a faithful priestly life in the past thirteen or so years, and it is good I that you have alerted us to the need to pray for the repose of his soul. May he rest in peace.

      • Ah, I didnt realise Fr Barry had crossed swords with Catholic Truth; I posted chiefly as he was a local priest who had an early death – but the name was vaguely familiar!

        May he rest in peace.

  8. Pinched from Fr Ray Blakes blog, here is an excellent article (link below) regarding liturgical abuse and the priestly narcissism which drives it.

    Messing with the Mass: The problem of priestly narcissism today

    It is important for priests to keep in mind that most Catholics go to Mass to encounter Jesus Christ, and not to come into contact with the particular psychology of the celebrant. Furthermore, they go for something that is not present in the popular culture — a sense of the sacred

    http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/messing-with-the-mass-the-problem-of-priestly-narcissism-today.html

    • Gabriel Syme,

      Thanks for posting the link. That is one very interesting article. It gives a whole new dimension to the Mass debate. I copied this small chunk, because it really rang true with me:

      “Requires excessive admiration; with this comes extreme sensitivity to criticism. Such criticism often leads to social withdrawal or an appearance of humility. Often this is associated with obvious attention seeking behavior. These narcissistic traits are frequently found in those who introduce and participate in liturgical innovations”.

      I’m going to read it through again, as I didn’t quite finish reading it all, but it’s very interesting indeed.

    • Can’t see why. Surely it would only be uncharitable if one thought another race to be inferior?

    • I would say it is a sin. If two people from different races love one another and there is no impediment to marriage, why would one want to be ‘against’ that?

      • WF,

        I doubt it would be a sin, because as long as (to quote Crofterlady) there is no question of thinking another race is inferior, I think it would be permissible to hold an opinion on this, just as one might consider that inter-faith marriages are undesirable – for all sorts of practical reasons.

        I once heard a married friend say that marriage has enough problems built into it, without importing more – so if there is a mixed marriage, say between Protestant and Catholic, that brings particular difficulties, e.g. in the raising of children as Catholics, and so it may be that practical reasons may exist which make inter-racial marriages problematic, at least for some people. A Scots friend of mine married a Latin American and was constantly talking about the problems his Latin temperament caused, in her view. She would never consider Latin Americans inferior, but I doubt if she’d want her daughter marrying one! In the end, they separated.

        I think it’s one of those issues where there is not necessarily any “right or wrong” answer although if I’ve missed some theological or moral aspect, I’m open to correction.

        • I’m sure marriages between different races may sometimes have more problems to encounter – not least because of the prejudice of some – but I don’t understand why anyone would be ‘against it’ though. That sounds like a blanket condemnation of different races ever marrying and having children, and I can’t see that it would be morally right or charitable to hold that belief.
          I can see the problems with inter-faith marriages. I don’t think that ‘Omnia vincit amor’ always applies in such cases!

          • I was posing the question because I don’t believe, generally speaking, that people of different races, even if they are of the same religion, should get married and procreate. I certainly don’t believe that black or coloured people are inferior in any way, shape or form, as that would be a sin against charity and the commandment to love our neighbour. I just worry that mixed race children will have problems with their social development, which culture to subscribe to and alienation as they sometimes find it hard to fit in.

            • What is culture?

              Did you fit in when you were growing up? I didn’t, even though I was fully white.

    • Well, not sinful per se. I suppose it all depends on the reasons someone believes it. But in many cases it would be sinful, because generally the kinds of persons who espouse to such opinions, ie. opposed to the notion of ‘miscegenation’, tend to be racists, in my experience. Racism is a sin, because we are all descended from the same parents, Adam and Eve. A truth with was denied by the atheistic Nazis, which led to genocide and human rights atrocities.

      I personally am very sceptical that there even is such a thing as race. I mean, it’s so subjective, where does one race begin and end? Who draws the lines? It’s not very scientific. It is a social construct.

      I am surprised you believe hold such sentiments because presumably you were born after 1990? These days people aren’t bothered. In fact, I myself am less attracted to ‘white’ women than I am for example East Asian women or Arab women, even though I am ‘white’. So I would gladly ‘breed’ with any woman if they did it for me, and we would bring beautiful mixed race children into the world. I have ‘mixed race’ family members.

      As for mixed race children having difficulties, well, that is more a problem of society and not the parents. A lot of adolescents have problems with their identity, I did, even though I am fully white.

  9. CatholicConvert1:

    Your question brings to my memory an act of my daughter who with a friend hacked into an American white supremacist site and fiddled about so that when anyone opened the site, a black & white minstrel strolled across the screen singing “Oh mammy”.

    They also had a go at Gordon Brown online but I don’t remember the details except there was some cartoon kilt lifting involved.

  10. The following extract reveals the fact that a homosexual activist is in a key position of practical influence at the forthcoming UN Catholic event – the Pope will be addressing the UN on the family, yet one of the “gatekeepers” in a wolf, not even in sheep’s clothing – an LGBT activist. I’ve copied an extract and the contact information to complain about this, with link to source, so read on:

    “Teresa Matozzo is the “Exhibits and Sponsorship Manager” for the World Meeting of Families. What this means is that Ms. Matozzo is a gatekeeper for the event. She has the power to “reject any application” or “limit space assigned to any one company.” And one would hope that an individual in such a position would be one who understands, believes and loves the teachings of the Catholic Church as she acts in the capacity of a gatekeeper for a massive Catholic event. Clearly, this is not the case.

    Teresa Matozzo is a homosexual activist in a lesbian relationship. The following images and quotes were taken directly from Ms. Matozzo’s facebook page. In this first image, Ms. Matozzo poses with a rainbow flag (the symbol of LGBT “inclusion”), and in the reflection of the glass behind her, a float of men standing around in their underwear can clearly be seen, indicating her presence at a “Gay Pride” parade…

    Conclusion

    The problem here is very clear and quite simple. An individual responsible for vetting exhibitors and sponsors for a marquee Catholic event should know, love and faithfully serve the Catholic Church. Even just having a mere non-Catholic vet sponsors and exhibitors would be problematic for the simple reason that they wouldn’t have a proper understanding of or vested interest in maintaining the integrity of Catholic teaching among the sponsors and exhibitors. But to place an individual whose very lifestyle is the complete antithesis of the most basic tenets of Catholic moral teaching in such a position is to pose a great danger to the integrity of the event. A shepherd may as well make a wolf responsible for guarding the gate of a sheepfold.

    Contact the World Meeting of Families 2015 organizers and let them know precisely why this is a problem and ask how and when this problem will be resolved.” info@worldmeeting2015.org Source – read entire article here

    • I really thought I was seeing things when I read this on the CT website. If that is not an insult to the Pope and Church, I don’t know what is. The trouble is that the Pope and the Catholic countries like Ireland, have made it that much more difficult to criticise something like this.

      It’s obviously not going to be a Catholic event promoting Catholic marriage and the traditional family, if the real organisers are the LGBT activists like Teresa Matozzo.

  11. N O T I C E . . .

    One of the trolls who frequents this blog under various usernames and who invariably ends up in moderation, has again registered under a new username, only this time he marked his comment NOT FOR PUBLICATION.

    He then proceeded to pass on to me information about a blogger here, detrimental to that blogger’s character, which I do not need to know – in fact, I know more about this person that does our troll, but troll thinks he’s giving me information which I don’t already possess – they call it “gossip” in some quarters. There is no excuse whatsoever for this wholly uncharitable behaviour. It is, in addition to being uncharitable, utterly hypocritical.

    This troll, remember, under each of his guises, routinely accuses us of lack of charity, of being judgmental, blah blah. Boring with a capital B.

    The following message is for him

    (under ALL of his usernames – most recent, Jesus Wept, which he marked Not For Publication, also Irish Eyes, also …. you’ll get my drift…

    and is definitely FOR PUBLICATION.

    You need help Tommy Troll, and plenty of it. Do not submit any more comments here – ever. If you really can’t live without me, email and I’ll (possibly) reply. But take note: I’ve had to implement our policy of never replying to nasty emails a few times recently, so keep it polite, if, that is, you really must keep in touch. NOT recommended.

    • I’m commenting here about the proposed closure of this blog because I know you don’t want us going off topic on the other thread, where Helen asked a question about trolls.

      I do find the trolls irritating and wish they would just go away. I don’t know why they want to post here when they hate everything about the faith so much, at least in its traditional form. The above post shows that they are hypocrites and as such don’t have any right to criticise anyone here. It is amazing that anyone would go out of their way to pass on gossip like that, really disgusting.

      I also understand why the team would consider closing the blog. That would be a pity but it has to be your call. I know a lot of people who find it helpful to read and I’m sure others could say the same. It will be disappointing if it closes but not surprising. There are too many interruptions from people who set out to make trouble. It’s surprising that you haven’t got fed up before and shut it down a long time ago. I think I would have.

      • I wouldn’t let these stupid trolls close down the blog. They are sub-intelligent and should be ignored. We can all see their game, putting on the same stuff, never answering questions, being total bores. Ignore them I say.

        • Nicky, I don’t think they’re all sub-intelligent, and I’m sure that the closure of this Catholic blog is the very thing that they have been hoping and so determinedly trolling for. Well done all of you ratfinks, I wonder which of the few remaining bastions of Catholic tradition you will attack next.

    • Editor,

      Remember how God was willing to spare Sodom if Abraham could find 5 good people in the town? Well, if I can find 5 people (off the top of my head) who’ve been helped immensely by Catholic Truth, would you relent and keep the blog running? 😥

      The trolls will happily disrupt a good blog. Like the devil they won’t bother with the blogs that do a mediocre job of informing Catholics, so we can all agree to ignore obvious trolls- especially when we see the same old stupid arguments surface- as if by sheer repetition they are going to be accepted as truth 🙄

      • Jobstears,

        I had no idea, when I posted what the trolls would call my “rant” (!) that I would have a rebellion on my hands! You are all very kind in your comments and your support is appreciated one thousand per cent.

        I also take every single thing you say on board, believe me. We have discussed this till it’s coming out of our ears, and considered it from every angle.

        And now that you think only 5 people in the entire continent of America (may) have been helped by our blog, I think closure is a dead cert!

        Kidding – let’s leave it in the hands of that little known god of the Hindus, Rama, who seldom gets a mention! 😀 (Dumb & Dumber, remember? p19 of the June edition?!)

      • Jobstears, I’m on your wavelength here. I couldn’t possibly find words to explain what this blog has done for me. Editor’s awe-inspirng ‘rant’😈leaves no.room to doubt the extent of the problems, frustrations and soul-destroying hard work it has entailed, but it has been a spiritual lifeline for me, enabling me, through the faith and wisdom of other bloggers, to understand the forces at work in the Church and so to avoid falling into despair. The traditional Catholics that I meet are generally happy in the possession of the Mass and the few of the old devotions that can be carried on in these penal times, but they show little awareness of the true extent of Satan’s activity in the Church today, as it is daily revealed on this blog. The team’s decision is wholly understandable, but very, very sad.

        • Christina,

          I agree with every word you’ve written. CT has been a spiritual lifeline for me too, and it has most certainly kept me from falling into despair.

          Do you think by now Editor will have finished her chants to the forgotten god of the Hindus????? If so, I’d like to tell her I could find 6 people (5 off the top of my head and 1 more having looked really hard :grin:) who’ve been helped by CT 😀

          • Christina and Jobstears,

            You have both missed your vocation – you’d have made terrific blackmailers!

            Rest assured, I will take your comments to the next meeting of the Board of Directors 😀

  12. This is an excellent piece by Christopher Ferrara – we covered the Lutheran “Archbishop” briefly in the newsletter but this is Ferrara’s commentary on it, very well worth reading. I’ve copied it in full below, with link to source… Brace yourselves!

    THE SITUATION IS OFFICIALLY OUT OF CONTROL…

    “Francis Received Lady “Archbishop,” Head of Insane Lutheran “Church” of Sweden, Calling Her “Esteemed Sister”

    As Francis continues to do whatever he pleases and to say whatever he feels like saying, even when he is aware that “it may sound… heretical,” the sense that the Church has “lost its compass” and is now “a rudderless ship,” as noted by Cardinal Burke, continues to spread among the faithful and a growing number of priests, bishops and cardinals.

    Last month, in a development that received relatively little coverage beyond Radio Vatican (and completely escaped my notice until today), the situation reached a new extreme of deterioration: Francis became the first Pope to receive at the Apostolic Palace in a private audience a lady “Archbishop” who heads the so-called Lutheran Church of Sweden. Francis addressed this absurd female pretender to the episcopacy, one Antje Jackelén, as “esteemed Mrs. Jackelén, esteemed sister…”

    The positively satanic “Church of Sweden” performs same-sex “marriages” between sodomites, condones abortion, contraception and divorce, and routinely purports to ordain women as “priests,” so that in the “Church of Sweden” today “45 per cent of priests are women, and women make up the majority of those studying to become priests.”

    During his friendly meeting with the fake lady bishop, Francis pretended not to notice that that she is a fake lady bishop presiding over a pro-abortion pseudo-Church that diabolically mocks the Sacraments of Holy Orders and Holy Matrimony. Instead, he shared with his “esteemed sister” fond expectations for the commemoration of the 500th anniversary of “the start of the Reformation,” meaning the start of Luther’s rebellion in 1517—in which commemoration the Vatican, quite insanely, will participate. Francis declared his hope that the “commemoration” of the Protestant Revolt “may encourage Lutherans and Catholics to take further steps towards full unity of sacramental life and ecclesial ministry.”

    Further steps toward unity? Is this a joke? The followers of Luther have been moving ever further from any possibility of unity with Catholics precisely in proportion to the length of time the disastrous “ecumenical venture” continues to confirm them in their multiplying errors.

    What is it but sheer madness that confronts us now? Where are the cardinals and bishops with the courage to stand up in open opposition to this Pope and defend the Church against his almost daily abuses and scandals? Merely for delivering a series of sermons that argued against the immediacy of beatitude for the blessed departed even after Purgatory, John XXII was publicly denounced by prelates and theologians, and there were calls for a council to condemn him on account of heresy.

    As members of the laity, we can do nothing but protest the words and deeds of Francis, which we certainly must do in keeping with our Confirmation vow to be soldiers of Christ. But only concerted, direct opposition by members of the upper hierarchy has any chance of reining in this clearly out-of-control pontificate and limiting further damage to the commonwealth of the Church. To the prelates who know the gravity of our situation and are admitting it privately, I must ask: What are you waiting for? Source

    I think Chris has just about said it all. Puts my humble commentary in the June edition, well and truly in the shade. See if I care 😀

  13. Somebody slap me. HARD. I’ve just had the misfortune to read a statement issued by Cardinal Vincent Nicholls following the Tories’ election victory. For anyone lucky enough to have missed it, if you carry on reading this post, I must warn you that your luck is about to run out:

    ‘I send congratulations to Prime Minister David Cameron on the result of the election yesterday. The new government faces many challenges, not least encouraging and sustaining economic growth and at the same time giving particular attention to the poorest in our society today. The Catholic Church in England and Wales looks forward to working with the newly elected Parliament for the common good.’

    Where does one begin? (as Liz Windsor might say). Did I miss something or has a Prince of the Church welcomed another five years of a regime borne along by an ever-rising tide of godlessness? An administration which you can guarantee will drag promotion of the committing of the Four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance to new depths:

    1. Wilful murder – abortion on demand and I suspect the reintroduction of the Assisted Dying Bill (not content with all the best tunes, it appears the devil wants all the top euphemisms as well).

    2. Oppression of the poor – tax cuts for the rich, nine month waits for Disability Benefits, work for free or lose your allowances,etc

    3. Defrauding labourers of their wages – anyone like a zero-hours contract?

    4. The sin of Sodom – aggressive and relentless advancing of the homosexualist agenda.

    Exactly how is His Eminence going to ‘work with’ THAT government programme? I suppose though that so long as ‘sustaining economic growth’ is achieved, all those other annoying deviations from the ‘common good’ can be tackled at another time.

    Just to add insult to injury, the statement was issued on May 9th, literally a matter of hours after the Tory majority was confirmed. I don’t recall reading that St. John Chrysostom responded with the same eagerness when he heard that the Empress Eudoxia had come to power (and she’d only be in the penny-ante league compared to Cameron’s Crowd).

    An excellent contributor last week pointedly said that he’d only be satisfied if all our bishops were imprisoned for courageously defending the Catholic Faith. Well,I’m much less demanding than my fellow blogger…..I’d be content with half our bishops exiled (to Ascension Island) and the other half ‘on the run’.

    • I can understand your surprise, but only up to a point.

      Three forces are at work here. First, the overwhelming desire of contemporary Churchmen to be ‘right on’ or ‘with it’. They hate being outside the prevailing consensus, even it it is a delusional one like Cameron’s election victory. If the individual trees in the forest get in the way of this, then don’t talk about the trees, talk about the forest. I believe they call it keeping the big picture. Don’t forget that the Catholic Church in the UK spends a small fortune annually on spin.

      Second, the desire to appease the mighty. Roman Catholics are barely tolerated in the UK as it is. Catholic bashing is seen as the one legitimate prejudice. Hence the sucking up to Caesar.

      Third, and most pathetic, it’s a way of getting attention, of saying ‘We exist too.’

      All of the above denote a worldly Church which has seriously lost its way.

      • Prognosticum,

        Appreciate the explanation! The ‘wanting to fit in’ motive had occurred to me but I hadn’t thought of the other two reasons.

        Coincidentally, after reading that press release, I too felt like indulging in a bit of Catholic Bashing – by going out and banging my head several times against the nearest piece of street furniture. (Well,I wasn’t going to risk damaging my own property, was I?).

        • Spudeater,

          (Well,I wasn’t going to risk damaging my own property, was I?).

          I should think not! LOL!

  14. Madame Editor, fellow bloggers (and lurkers too),

    In the course of seeking to clarify some confusion in my own mind, I have been having discussions with a number of SSPX priests including the incoming and outgoing District Superior of SSPX-GB, and I should like to share the results with you for the avoidance of doubt.

    Importantly, they all gave me the same answers, a manifestation of unity in the Truth which was a factor some 60 years ago when I was considering converting to Catholicism.

    The SSPX is not the Catholic Church – it is a part of it.

    The SSPX does not make the rules – these are contained in Canon Law and as far as possible the SSPX, as part of the Catholic Church, considers itself bound by those rules.

    This means that it is not a sin to wilfully fail to attend those Holydays of Obligation which the conciliar Church has transferred to adjacent Sundays (the Feasts of Epiphany, the Ascension and Corpus Christi) and so doing no longer requires a mention in the confessional.

    Similarly, fasting and abstaining on Ember Days and on the vigils of major feasts (e.g., the Saturday before Whitsunday, and Christmas Eve) is no longer a requirement and failure to do so does not need to be mentioned in confession.

    The same applies to not abstaining from meat on Fridays, as long as some act of charity is performed in its place, apart from Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.

    The SSPX expects its supporters to observe the rules from of old, and points out the great graces which God bestows on those who undertake the observances.

    The above examples of relaxation, whilst to be regretted, do not conflict with matters of Faith or Morals, and Archbishp Lefebvre taught his seminarians that they could be concurred with.

    However, where Canon Law calls for the acceptance of the documents in Vatican II and of the Novus Ordo Mass, this area does conflict with Traditional teaching on Faith or Morals and as such there is no question of concurring with the wishes of the conciliar Church.

    Whilst my questions were not exhaustive, I found the answers I received to be very reassuring, particularly concerning widely-touted but mis-placed claims that Bp. Fellay is planning a sell-out to Rome on the erroneous grounds that unity is more important than Truth.

    I hope that what I learned will help others to clarify their own thoughts, and to be better able to defend the guardians of Tradition.

  15. NEWS FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN SCOTLAND –
    LATEST PRESS RELEASE…

    Thursday 11 June 2015

    Charles Kennedy Funeral – Advisory Notice

    The funeral of Charles Kennedy MP, will take place in St. John the Evangelist, Caol, Fort William on Friday 12 June at 12 noon.
    The Principal Celebrant will be Monsignor James MacNeil, Administrator of the Diocese of Argyll and the Isles. The Parish Priest Fr. Roddy McAuley, will preach the Homily. Fourteen children from St. Columba’s R.C. Primary school, Lochyside, which Charles Kennedy attended as a child, will sing the Psalm, “O God, you search me and you know me”.

    The family have chosen the following hymns: Christ be beside me, Our God loves us, I the Lord of sea and sky, Soul of my Saviour, How Great thou art. Brian McBride, a friend of Charles Kennedy will offer a eulogy after Communion. John Cameron, a close family friend of the Kennedy’s, will lead the musicians who also played at Charles’ parents funerals Fr. Pat Brown, Chaplain to the Westminster Parliament and Monsignor Thomas Wynne, of St. Margaret’s Roy Bridge, a friend of the Kennedy family, will concelebrate.

    Fr. McAuley will not be available for interview, Mgr MacNeil will be available for interview by arrangement on Friday 12 June. END

    Editor: the above press release reminds me of the reaction of one friend when I told her that my mother’s funeral would be a Traditional Latin Mass. She looked surprised and said: “But, will she get her favourite hymns?” THAT appears to be the level to which Catholic understanding of the Mass has sunk. What hymns will be sung? God help them.

    I also replied to the above press release to point out that (last time I checked) eulogies are not permitted at Catholic funerals. The Irish bishops actually tried to stamp out all the abuses that go on at funerals and weddings, eulogies at funerals being one of them and met with hostile resistance from the people, who just won’t, I’m told, accept the “new” rules about eulogies and secular music. Akin to the Catholics who objected to the latest translation of the Mass, pleading for a return to the “old” Mass (the novus ordo, as it appeared before the latest changes) which they had grown to love (after 40 years – the rest of us who missed the Mass we’d had for centuries are laughed out of court for our “nostalgia”) Truly, you couldn’t make it up.

  16. WF,

    Shocking.

    Anyway, some good news for a change. Bishop Schneider, as ever, speaks out and hits the nail on the head…Here’s an extract with link to source – worth reading the entire article/interview…

    “With regard to the synodal question as to whether “accepting and valuing [homosexuals’] sexual orientation” could align with Catholic doctrine, Bishop Schneider pointed out, “There are clear statements of the Magisterium concerning the sinfulness of homosexual acts, concerning the objective disorder of the homosexual tendency, and, above all, concerning the sinfulness and unlawfulness of the adoption of children by homosexual couples.”

    When asked about the Irish referendum, Bishop Schneider said, “The result of the recent referendum in Ireland is a mirror and an indicator of the extent to which the broad masses of a people, with many Catholics among them, and – one might cry out to God – even representatives of the Catholic clergy – have allowed themselves to be indoctrinated by the neo-Communist gender ideology.”
    “The masses go along with the Zeitgeist, and not few clergymen, sometimes even prelates, collaborate with this Zeitgeist, along with their politically correct attitude.”

    “The recent history of Europe has shown how masses very quickly adopt ideologies, and even inhuman ideologies, such as, for example, Fascism, National-Socialism, and Soviet Communism. However, unlike earlier times in history, in our own days there is now to be found among the ranks of the clergy a higher proportion of collaborators with the new reigning ideology.”

    “This is a sign of the magnitude of the crisis of Faith within the Church. On the other hand, there is also now a chance for all who have remained loyal to their Baptismal promises – and loyal to the Faith of the Apostles and of the Saints – to confess and defend the Faith! The current time is not a time for sleep of sloth, but a time for being a good soldier of Christ (2 Tim 2:3). Our battle is a spiritual battle, a battle for the truth, with love (see Eph 4:15).” Source

    • That’s a really good interview with Bishop Schneider. I heard that he has visited the SSPX seminary so maybe he will end up joining them, because he will be a target of the modernists in Rome if not already, for his outspokenness.

      Also, I wonder how many modern Catholics have ever been told that they are supposed to be “soldiers of Christ” post Confirmation?

      • Michaela, I honestly think he will better serve the Church where he is, as if he joins the SSPX he can more easily be ignored and dismissed, even now, as ‘schismatic’ or worse (according to a local old-rite celebrating cleric I have ‘joined the dark side’ by going to SSPX Masses!). There are other faithful prelates in the ‘mainstream’, and they will need a rallying point. Bp. Schneider might provide it, judging from this and his other recent similar writings and sayings.

        • Christina,

          I think you’ve got a point.

          One & All….

          Here’s the latest press release from the Scottish Catholic Media Office, regarding the funeral of Charles Kennedy, former MP, to take place tomorrow, Friday 12 June…

          Homily, Fr. Roddy McAuley: (Check against delivery)

          Charles Kennedy was a humble man. When Charles’ parents died and Charles said a few words in the church, he wouldn’t come up here to the lectern but insisted on speaking outside the sanctuary, from the floor. In this church, Charles was one of the ‘backbenchers’. He didn’t always sit in the same pew but he always sat at the back of the church.

          The Gospel passage chosen for Charles’ funeral Mass today is the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax collector. I chose it because of the humble prayer of the tax collector. The word ‘humility’ was born from the Latin word ‘humus’ or earth, and is also the root of the word humour. This humility calls us to stay close to the earth with our feet on the ground. Six times in the passage the pharisee mentions “I”. He prayed to himself, not to God. On the other hand, the prayer of the tax collector is a model. He said simply, ‘Lord, be merciful to me a sinner’. Is there a more beautiful prayer that we could say than that?

          There’s a thoughtful reflection by William Barclay which states, “O Father, give us the humility which realises its ignorance, admits its mistakes, recognises its need, welcomes advice, accepts rebuke. Help us always to praise rather than to criticise, to sympathise rather than to condemn, to encourage rather than to discourage, to build rather than to destroy, and to think of people at their best rather than at their worst”. We accept and acknowledge a person’s giftedness and Charles giftedness was devoted to and shared with the community.

          Ian and Mary Kennedy, the parents of Charles, Isobel and Ian, were both awarded the Benemerenti medal, Latin for the “well deserved” medal for their services to their church. The Benemerenti medal was accepted with great humility by Mary and Ian, and never displayed. That humility was inherited by Charles, Isobel and Ian.

          Mary played the organ and Ian the fiddle here in St. John’s for over forty years, and at their son Charles’ funeral today we are pleased to have a number of musicians who have come together to play, as they did for the funerals of his parents. Charles loved music and he famously quoted, “I couldn’t imagine a day without music. It relaxes and stimulates me in equal measure and, I hate the sound of silence – the concept I mean, not the track by Simon and Garfunkel”.

          There have been beautiful tributes paid to Charles especially over the past week or so. Something we might add is the importance of Charles’ faith to him. He was a much loved and respected parishioner of St. John’s and he will be sorely missed. May he rest in peace. END.

          Reflecting on that homily, I can’t help but compare it to the sermon at my mother’s funeral in February, where the (SSPX) priest spoke very clearly about the two ultimate destinations for every soul, with the hope of Purgatory also mentioned in the context that we could be quite sure that my mother was not in Hell (listing some practical reasons – no sentimentalism). I’m feeling that we were very blessed indeed to have provided my beloved mother with an unmistakeably Catholic funeral/sermon, and not a violin within earshot.

          Let’s all redouble our prayers for Charles Kennedy, against the background of the modern Mass, eulogy and eulogising homily that is, sadly, his lot in death – may he rest in peace.

          • I couldn’t agree more. Funerals these days are just canonisation ceremonies by another name, although the homily quoted above isn’t too bad in that way.

            Personally, I would want a lot of emphasis laid on the need to pray for my soul in case I’m in Purgatory.

            I’ll remember Charles tomorrow in prayer, at the time of his funeral. I’m hoping to get to Mass, so that will be for him as well.

            • I’ve just listened to the news on BBC where Laura Bicker, one of their Scots reporters spoke outside the church building where the funeral of Charles Kennedy will take place later today. She spoke about the fact that Charles was a regular member of the congregation and quoted the parish priest, Fr Roddy McAuley as saying that Charles would sit at the back and “listen intently”.

              The terrible and destructive nature of the crisis in the Church struck me forcibly at that moment, because if that priest had been preaching the fullness of Catholic doctrine and morals “in season and out of season”, I doubt very much if Charles Kennedy – who, it seems clear, by “listening intently” showed a desire to know the truth – would have been able to describe himself as a “liberal” Catholic and I doubt very much indeed if he would have voted as he did to support abortion and “gay” rights.

              That he’s “listened intently” week after week and heard nothing but the usual modernist garbage, is an indictment on the seminary training of priests and their on-going (lack of) formation, their failure to comprehend that the thorny issues are not Church-invented prohibitions but divinely revealed truths – that is, truths (whether in the religious or moral sphere) that have been revealed by GOD and therefore they must pass that on as clearly and as cleverly as possible, in order to win souls for Christ, always warning of the consequences of defying God’s divinely revealed will for us. What a different Catholic Charles might have been, had he heard truly Catholic sermons instead of chatty “we’re all right, Jack” homilies.

              Tragically, as Laura Bicker’s indulgent smile when she quoted Fr McAuley indicates, the world will applaud today’s “service” with its enjoyable music, its Protestant reflection (William Barclay) and its banal homily which teaches nothing of the four last things, the staple diet of Catholic funerals in years gone by (and in traditional Masses today), always bearing in mind the need to touch souls in the congregation who may be lapsed from the Faith or outside the Church, as well as urging prayers for the deceased’s early release from Purgatory. None of us can presume that we will go straight to Heaven but we can win release from Purgatory for a soul, and for a priest to fail to exhort us to the charity of praying to that end, is unconscionable. Modernist funerals are just one long eulogy, it seems. So, brace yourselves for the coverage today. And continue to pray for the repose of the soul of Charles Kennedy. May he rest in peace.

              • Ed.,

                Your exhortation for prayers for the repose of the soul of Charles Kennedy to be redoubled is very charitable but I have to sound a potentiallycontroversial note. As you yourself so rightly have pointed out, Charles Kennedy repeatedly voted against motions that would restrain (even in minor ways) Britain’s abortion laws and repeatedly voted in favour of motions that promoted and strengthened the homosexualist agenda in this country. I don’t think it’s unfair to characterise those actions of his as wilful rebellion against the Church i.e.God (he who is not with Me is against Me). For a Catholic to vote in that way is always much more harmful and painful to behold than if it were someone outside the Church – the Latin saying ‘Corruptio optimi pessima’ (the corruptionof the Best is the worst) springs to mind – and Charles Kennedy (an educated man and no fool,at least in the worldly sense of the word) always had plenty of time to choose which lobby to parade through. So while it’s axiomatic for me to say that we all need prayer all of the time (and especially the lapsed), I personally would frame my parting exhortation slightly differently – Let us all say even one Hail Mary for all those Catholics,particularly those who have strayed from the Faith, who are going to die in the next 24 hours and who may have no one to pray for them either now or after their death.

                P.S. I’d also mention, for example, Christopher Lee who was half-Italian and who once told students at UCD never to experiment with the occult as they would “lose not only their minds but also their souls” – words which indicate that he was (probably) a Catholic. He was also however a Tory supporter so maybe prayers should be redoubled for him.

                • Spudeater,

                  Not me. “Charitable”? Me? You kidding?

                  In fact we are absolutely prohibited from presuming that any soul is lost. There’s no way we can know the disposition of a soul before God and the Catholic tradition is always to pray for every soul as if in Purgatory.

                  I’ve had various experiences since my beloved mother’s death (in February) that make me absolutely certain that she is already in Heaven, but I continue to pray for her as if in Purgatory for two reasons; (1) we can never be sure that the soul is not suffering in Purgatory and it would be wholly uncharitable to leave a soul languishing there when we could speed their release by our prayers and (2) if that soul for whom we pray IS in Heaven, then our prayers go to another soul in Purgatory. Nothing lost, always something gained – grace for a suffering soul(s) in Purgatory. Not to be sneezed at, as we may, ourselves, discover some day, she said in (un)holy terror.

                  In the case of Charles Kennedy and his voting record, as Olaf says, Charles’ age indicates that he is one of the many Catholics denied a proper Catholic education and formation. That didn’t occur to me when I (I now realise) totally wasted the one opportunity I had to make him realise this, when I met him in Glasgow at the end of the BBC discussion show The Big Questions.

                  In fact, I feel utterly ashamed that when I met him after the Big Questions I was short and to the point with my query about whether his parish priest had informed him that under Canon Law # 915 he really ought not to be presenting for Holy Communion, due to his voting record. When he responded “no” that his priest had said no such thing, I then said that unfortunately he had a bad priest. That was my “contribution” to his religious education. I SHOULD have focused on the reasons for Canon 915, and mentioned that the priest and even the bishop had no discretion in the matter, and tried my best, in the limited time available, to do a little educating. But I didn’t, and I am very conscious of my failure to do some real good on that occasion instead of wasting it by restricting my comment to a swipe at his PP.

                  So, Spudeater, the ways things work in the supernatural world, I’m a great deal more likely to have a severe judgment for my neglect, than Charles for his ignorance.

                  Let’s pray very hard for his release from Purgatory – and if he’s already made his reparation before God, then our prayers will go to the next in the queue (which one day, might be you or me, Spudeater. WHAT a thought!)

                  • Editor,

                    “In fact we are absolutely prohibited from presuming that any soul is lost”. Well said. I am always reminded of the story in Abbe Trochu’s book on the life of the Cure D’Ars (full story on page 539 onwards). A woman came to Ars, very distressed. Her husband, who didn’t practice his religion, had committed suicide, by jumping off a bridge and drowning. She, naturally, was devastated and very fearful of his salvation. She wanted to get to speak with the Cure, but as it happens, he approached her and told her that her husband had been saved. The Cure D’Ars said “He is in Purgatory, and you must pray for him. Between the parapet of the bridge and the water he had time to make an act of contrition. Remember the shrine that you put up in your room during the month of May. Though your husband professed to have no religion, he sometimes joined in your prayers; this merited for him the grace of repentance and pardon at the last moment.”

                    • Westminster Fly,

                      That is a beautiful story from the Cure D’Ars and very consoling. God’s mercy is so great that I have no trouble believing that “from the parapet of the bridge to the water” the suicide had the grace to repent.

                    • I totally agree that we can’t say that any soul is lost but I was trying to convey that my preference was for more of a focus on what could be called ‘forgotten’ souls rather than a soul who one would imagine has quite a lot of people already remembering him in their prayers (and rightly so). It may be an extreme point to make and an unsubtle, even crass illustration of my argument but no one would ever suggest. praying for Hitler or Stalin and while I’m not equating poor Charles Kennedy with either of them, abortion is right up there (or rather down there) with the crimes committed by those pair. In short Ed., I just felt that the tsunami of supplication that you could potentially unleash by appealing for prayers for someone could be slightly diverted.

                      Anyway,Ed. and Westminsterfly, that’s two against one. That’s an unfair fight with me being a theological pygmy and all. (And no, I’m not slyly comparing myself to St. John of the Cross just because he was 5 foot nothing).

                    • Spudeater,

                      Stop digging!

                      I do understand what you are saying but – at the risk of shocking you – I have to say that Catholics would, indeed, have been expected to pray for the souls of Hitler and Stalin on their death. We cannot wish or sanction that any soul end up in Hell, such is the horror of the place. As for “diverting” supplications – if they are not needed by the soul for whom we offer the prayers, they go to the next in line. That’ll be me you’ll see pushing to the front of the queue, when my time comes – the very thought of which has me trembling from head to toe.

                      And who are you calling a “theological pygmy”? Not my friend Spudeater! No way! You’re just a tad creative on the theology front which means you are on course for a top job in just about any diocese in the world!

  17. Editor, this quote from Bishop Schneiders interview is a timely reminder that, like it or not, we are involved in a war. Each of us can testify to the daily attacks of the forces of evil, from temptations to sin, to their insidious and dangerous attempts to stop us from carrying out the work Our Lord has entrusted to us.

    “This is a sign of the magnitude of the crisis of Faith within the Church. On the other hand, there is also now a chance for all who have remained loyal to their Baptismal promises – and loyal to the Faith of the Apostles and of the Saints – to confess and defend the Faith! The current time is not a time for sleep of sloth, but a time for being a good soldier of Christ (2 Tim 2:3). Our battle is a spiritual battle, a battle for the truth, with love” (see Eph 4:15)

    In this regard a quite remarkable book has recently been published which has become for me an indispensable daily read. Editor please note, I give this link only to help anyone who is finding life difficult at this time. Hope I haven’t broken any rules.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=manual+of+spiritual+warfare+paul+thigpen

    Gerontius

    • Gerontius,

      Thank you for your thoughtful post – you’ve not broken any rules that I can see. Will check out your link later but since it’s looks like being about spiritual warfare, I can’t see it being a bad thing (unless it’s warning folk to avoid the Catholic Church as spiritually harmful! I am certain you wouldn’t be recommending it in that case).

      As things worsen, though, I find myself getting more and more frustrated with the majority of “mainstream” Catholics, like the one(s) a friend has just emailed me about, busy promoting a petition to be sent to the Pope asking him to reinstate the prayer to St Michael after Mass. Gimme strength. I mean, they have gone along with each and every novelty resulting from “that Council” and now they are resorting to petition-land to ask for bits and pieces back. Gimme, as I say, strength. And lots of it.

      I replied to my friend to pass on to her source the pretty obvious course of action open to anyone who wishes to hear the Prayer to St Michael at the end of every Mass – return to the Traditional Latin Mass and voila! There it is, unfailingly along with the three Hail Marys and the Hail Holy Queen, ordered to be prayed after every low Mass by Pope Leo XIII.

      As the popular saying goes… it ain’t rocket science!

  18. I feel very sorry for Charles Kennedy and wonder where he now is. He died at 55 so he was born around 1960, a very bad time to be born, I would say. He would have known nothing about the perennial truths of his faith and certainly would have received no real Catholic catechesis. Is it any wonder he didn’t know that his liberal (anti life) voting record was not just un-Catholic but diabolical? Did any of his sycophantic clergy tell him his soul was in danger from such votes? Not a bit of it! oh, the pity of it all!

  19. If Catholics want their fervour and zeal back, they need to pray the Rosary, it is not an option! Please watch this video on Traditional Catholic Priest Web-site, we are also remembered in his Latin Mass if we read his web-site – What a free gift!

    http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/2015/06/13/pray-the-traditional-catholic-holy-rosary

    The Church as we know it is now gone, we only have the buildings (empty) and Catholics are blissfully unaware.

    The Clergy and prelates right to the top have not done their job so all we have is a pseudo-church which is why the world is drowning in so much sin.

    Our Lady promised through the Rosary and the Scapular she would save the World.

    Keep “counting” our rosaries and living authentic Catholic lives.

    God bless all of you,

    Anne

    • Anne,

      You are absolutely correct to exhort us to pray the rosary and enrol in and wear the Brown Scapular. Well said.

      I’ve visited that Traditional Catholic Priest website before and will do so again asap. Thank you for posting the link.

      God bless.

  20. I’m reading At. Peter Damian – his Teaching on the Spiritual Life by Owen J. Blum, O.F.M.

    Oh sweet Lord, send someone, a cleric, as zealous as this Holy Saint, to smoke out the scurrilous and the impure from Our Holy Mother Church.

    A great reformer.

    • So, on the one hand we’ve got a petition doing the rounds to ask Pope Francis to restore the Prayer to St Michael at the end of the (new) Mass, and now we have Cardinal Sarah suggesting that this, that and the next item from the old Mass be imported into the new – why not blankety blank simply re-instate the ancient Mass and be done with it? Honestly – crazy people…

      • During at least the last 50 years Holy Mother Church has suffered greatly. The cause? Our Lady requests weren’t complied with! Among the rest of the modernistic drivel, was any specific reason given for the removal of the prayer to St. Michael?
        Do I detect the rich ripe odour of Freemasonry?
        QUIS UT DEUS

        Gerontius

  21. N O T I C E . . .

    Please note that I have a blog post ready to publish on Thursday, as soon as I receive the authorised link to the new “Green” encyclical, so please, one and all, resist the temptation to be the first to post it here. Feel free to email it to me at editor@catholictruthscotland.com if you think I’ve missed it, but not here, as we don’t want to have two or three discussions running at the same time on the same topic!

    Please and thank you!

  22. I received the usual nauseating bumpf from a spineless politician. Read below.

    ________________________________________________________________

    Dear XXXX

    Thank you for your email of 15 May to Caroline Dinenage MP, Minister for Women and Equalities and Family Justice, about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGB&T) equality and marriage of same-sex couples. I have been asked to reply on the Minister’s behalf.

    Firstly, thank you for taking the time to write to set out your concerns. Let me reassure you that the Government fully supports LGB&T equality. It has a strong track record of tackling inequalities and remains committed to doing so. The UK has just been named the most progressive country in Europe for LGB&T rights for the fifth year running, which is a testament to the achievements that have been made.

    The debate about marriage of same-sex couples was one about which many MPs received a great deal of representations from their constituents and which they will each have considered carefully before voting on the legislation. The Minister received correspondence requesting her to vote against the Bill at a ratio of 100:1 in comparison to those in favour. She therefore made the difficult decision to vote against the Bill, and represent the views of many of her constituents. As you know, the Bill was passed by Parliament and is now law, and the Minister fully supports this.

    Despite the progress that has been made in advancing LGB&T equality, the Minister recognises there is no room for complacency. She is committed to taking further action to support LGB&T equality, in particular, continuing the Government’s work on tackling homophobic bullying in schools and supporting LGB&T rights around the world. The Minister looks forward to working with LGB&T organisations to understand the challenges that remain and to discuss this Government’s priorities for this Parliament. Please be assured that the Minister is absolutely committed to tackling Government Equalities Office discrimination in all its forms and to creating a fairer society for everyone, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.

    Yours sincerely,

    XXXX

    Ministerial Support Team

    E: enquiries@culture.gsi.gov.uk

    • Summa,

      In other words, Dineage now supports a law which is evil and which most people didn’t want. The response to your email was the usual claptrap, only more of it.

  23. Summa, that is absolutely disgusting. The Ministerial team clearly has only bothered to draft one circular letter, so you get the same reply as that which would be sent to a whining pervert complaining about ‘discrimination’. I wonder how many of these fools really have any idea of what filth the LGB&T brigade wallows in. Just hearing those words makes me feel physically sick. How can an aggressively promoted ‘ideology’ manage to blind almost everyone as to it’s true nature?

  24. Apologies for the way in which the formatting of the letter came out.

    Yes, it is a canned response to all questions.

    Shameless glib vomit, doubly insulting to Our Lord, on such a weighty matter.

    • Summa – my apologies to you. I usually fix any such formatting problems but didn’t have time when I first saw your post, and then it slipped on to the back burner. I’ve now put it right, so all’s well that ends well.

      A disgraceful response in any case – as Christina says it’s obviously a standard letter that is entirely inappropriate.

  25. I came across this recently. The Holy Father is urging us to bring more Mohammedans into our country it seems.

    • Marxist ideology of world citizens and no borders.

      Apart the ‘God of Surprises’ embarrassment, has anyone hear Pope Francis mention God in any of his speeches?

      • No, but as I’ve just said on another thread, he uncritically and unintelligently, though enthusiastically, embraces every ideology of the times. God isn’t PC. What an idiot – to pontificate like this about migrants. Clearly he has no idea about the ultimate terrestrial intentions of his beloved Islam in spite of the evidence piling up daily on the world’s TV screens.

  26. LifeSiteNews have an article re: Bishop Johan Bonny of Antwerp being approved to attend the Synod on the Family in october. This bishop had previouly argued for an overthrow of a doctrinal/natural-law approach to marriage and sexuality in favour of the primacy of personal “conscience”.

  27. Another little victory for Satan. What puzzles me is the fact that the diabolical origins of this perverted prelate’s ideas about natural law, ‘new insights concerning marriage’, etc., are not evident to anyone who is not already a slave of unnatural vice.

  28. Here’s the latest on the Scottish Government’s outrageous intrusion into Family Life. The NO2NP campaign were right all along. I considered posting a new thread on this topic but since I’m planning to attend one of the NO2NP roadshows, I’ll wait to report on that: below the latest from the campaign… Note: all links can be accessed in the original article, linked at the end of the report below…

    PARENTS TRAINED ON HOW TO GIVE THEIR KIDS
    STATE-APPROVED ‘GOOD LIFE’

    Parents will be told at a training day today that their children will be monitored by state officials who will “check every child has what they need to have a good life”.

    Organisers behind the ‘GetLive GIRFEC Event For Parents‘ were accused of bribing parents into supporting the Named Person scheme when it was revealed they were offering £25 vouchers and free travel and refreshments, along with free childcare, to attend the event.

    In a leaflet, ‘An Easy Read Guide To… Getting It Right For Every Child (GIRFEC)’, sent to delegates ahead of today’s event, the state benchmark of a “good life” is set out for parents in detail.

    GIRFEC is the policy behind the Named Person scheme.

    Explaining its SHANARRI “wellbeing” indicators, the booklet tells parents there are “8 things every child needs to have a good life”.

    SHANARRI stands for; safe, healthy, achieving, nurtured, active, respected, responsible and included.

    The leaflet instructs parents about what they should and should not do in order to fulfil these Government parenting standards. It makes clear that the job of the Named Person – and other officials like social workers and doctors – is to check parents are complying with these standards.

    It states: “People who work with your child will check…”
    – “Your child gets praise when they do well”
    – “Your child does activities they like to do”
    – “Your child gets a say in things like how their room is decorated and what to watch on TV”
    – “You trust your child to do the right thing”
    – “Your child can be part of a group like Scouts, Brownies or a football group if they want to”

    The leaflet also says state officials will check which people are around your child, where your child lives and what is going on in your child’s life. They will even “think about what is good about your child’s environment”, and “think about what could be better”.

    Read the full leaflet here

    A spokesman for NO2NP said: “We have warned all along that the Named Person scheme would undermine parents’ responsibility for their own children and allow state officials unprecedented powers to interfere with family life.

    “This leaflet confirms that the Named Person is intended to take a highly intrusive role in ordinary family life. It’s effectively an admission that critics of the scheme have been right all along. “

    “The list of things the Named Person – and doctors, nurses, teachers social workers – ‘will check’ is outrageous. It is exactly the kind of invasive behaviour we’ve been warning about.

    “For example, if a child doesn’t like the colour scheme or wants to watch films containing horrendous violence or sex scenes, the child can complain to the Named Person who then adjudicates on the family’s decisions about décor and who holds the TV remote control. It is absolutely outrageous.

    “In the past the Scottish Government and their officials have attempted to dismiss opponents of this scheme for exaggerating its impact.

    “Clearly, we were right all along and they have been trying to keep us all in the dark about what they really intend.

    “Unless parents wake up quickly to what the Named Person is really about and make their voices heard, many of them will face a level of state monitoring of the minutiae of parenting that is unprecedented in our history.

    “This is not about protecting vulnerable children. It is not about helping families who want help. It is about policing parenting according to a state ‘happiness’ index. Families cannot thrive under that kind of ‘big brother’ scrutiny.” Read: State-Approved ‘Good Life’ For Kids…

  29. I saw that the superb film ‘A Man for all Seasons’ is on BBC2 tomorrow at 3.15 p.m. Nothing remarkable in that as it’s on TV reasonably often. Then I remembered that June 22nd is the Feast Day of St.Thomas More (& St.John Fisher). Has a practising left-footer successfully evaded the BBC’s air defences and managed to rise to the position of Programming Scheduler? Fully paid up members of the National Secular Society don’t religiously pay their license fee to then have Catholic propaganda broadcast to the nation in a suspiciously coincidental fashion. I would consider supergluing myself to the railings outside the BBC’s sparkling new H.Q. in protest but thankfully it’s a long way to Salford.

    Anyway,thought I’d share the full quote from which the film title is taken:

    Thomas More is a man of an angel’s wit and singular learning;
    A man of excellent virtues – gentleness,lowliness,affability;
    A man of marvellous mirth and sometimes of sad gravity;
    A man for all seasons.
    Robert Whittinton (1480-1548)

    Oh, if only there was a Saint of his calibre in Britain during these unhappy times!

    • Spudeater,

      Many thanks for that advance notice – I’ve just clicked “record” to tape A Man For ALL Seasons tomorrow and on BBC as well – no pesky adverts! I’ve been meaning to buy the DVD for ages but I always have hassle with that (and many other machines!) so would prefer to have it recorded from TV. Isn’t this a good example of how television isn’t all bad?!

      As for your concluding sentence – are you forgetting about Athanasius? Waterside? Not to mention Crofterlady who is, as per usual, wandering the countryside even as I prepare for her canonisation? 😀

      • O.K., ostensibly Athanasius, Warterside et al are right up there with St.Thomas More but can they be said to have matched one of his most eclectic (and selfless) ‘life choices’? Namely, once he had decided that marriage rather than the religious life was to be his vocation and after being introduced to two sisters from a good family who were both looking to be wed, he chose the older and less ‘vivacious’ sister to be his wife (despite much preferring the younger) purely in order to save her the embarrassment of having her younger sister wed first.

        Now that’s what I call heroic virtue (with a little bit of penance mixed in!)

  30. Spudeater,

    I can just hear the fully paid up members of Benedicta Carter’s foundation, the St. Martina Luther Feminist Institute of Advanced Ecumenical Heresy, crying out in anguish “But did the older sister have a say in the matter?!” 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯

    • Different times,Ed. Different times!!!

      P.S. Just realised I called Waterside “Warterside”. Apologies, WATERside. (And no, my typo wasn’t what St.Thomas More affectionately called his wife during the early years of their marriage).

  31. In case any of you can make it to the final (in the round) NO2Named Person Campaign Roadshow tonight – the details are here .. Urge as many as possible to attend. This is highly dangerous legislation – an unprecedented intrusion into family life and the rights of parents. And the rights of children, who are entitled to grow up in home where their parents are relaxed and not worried to death about being visited by officials of the State because they think their children’s bedroom really wouldn’t look good papered in black with purple dots all over it. Yeah, folks, it’s really that bad.

  32. I feel depressed and guilty today because this morning I watched the scenes at Calais as immigrants, apparently in their hundreds, chased and boarded lorries in a bid to reach Britain. I feel guilty because I didn’t feel pity, only anger at the impotence or unwillingness of authorities on both sides of the Channel to stem this illegal tide. I think that I should pity them, for according to one commentator, they must be desperate to be making such a journey from ‘all over Africa’. But all those I saw were young men. There were no women and children – fearful and miserable whole families, like some of those picked up out of the Mediterranean. If all these healthy (to all appearances) and agile young men are refugees, why have they left their families behind to endure whatever it is that is causing such desperation? It seemed to me that they looked more like adventurers – young men (chancers even) leaving home to make their own way in the world. If any kind blogger can put forward a kinder view maybe I will thereby be able to amend mine.

    • I am sorry to say that I am beginning to form a similar opinion. If I lived in some awful place like Iraq or Syria or Lybia or some other terrible place, right now I would be trying to get out. I would risk everything to get the people I love to safety. So I don’t blame the people who are crossing the Mediterranean in unseaworthy rafts, desperate to get into Europe. The alternative is to sit and wait for the head-chopping maniacs from Isis to arrive.

      However, the people coming through the tunnel and sneaking into lorries are in France. They are not EU citizens or they would just buy a ticket like everyone else. I can’t understand why they would risk everything to get from France to England when they are already in a safe place, relative to where they have come from.

      On the Channel 4 news tonight I got the impression that most were coming because of what they perceive as some kind of Promised Land in England. They complained about how tough things are for migrants in France and seemed to think things would be better in England. They are completely mistaken, and I fear that most who successfully make it across are going to be hugely disappointed. They obviously didn’t see the report from Prime Minister’s Questions today when dozens of people in wheelchairs tried to storm the Chamber to protest against cuts to benefits for disabled people.

      I have no doubt life can be tough in France for asylum seekers, but I find it hard to believe that it’s any harder than life in the UK. I thank God, that by His grace I have never been in their position, but if I had escaped from Syria and made it to safety in France, I expect I would just be so grateful to be there. If you are a genuine refugee France will not send you back and all of your basic needs will be catered for. You can start to build a life there.

      At least, that’s the impression I have. I am willing to admit I might have got it wrong.

  33. Me too. Tonight on the news they did show migrant camps in Calais, with women and children living in squalid conditions, but this morning it was just lorries running the gauntlet. I felt sorry for the drivers, but why don’t they all lock the rear doors securely?

  34. WF,

    I managed to get Google to translate WF’s Italian report: I hope it’s accurate – here goeth…

    “The only concession is to Medjugorje, which is recognized as a place of prayer, because God knows where they also collect seeds, the Cardinal explained Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith, during the Plenary Assembly of the Congregation that, yesterday, met for express the authenticity of the alleged apparitions of the Madonna to the six “seers” of this small town in Bosnia-Herzegovina, who claim to have receive periodic messages from “Lady” for 34 years running.

    For the rest, the trial of the former Holy Office, which is expressed on the basis of the final report of the “Commission Ruini”, composed by Benedict XVI to shed light on these phenomena, it was absolutely negative.

    Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in fact, the “apparitions” do not consist of any supernatural, therefore it is forbidden to the faithful to participate in the “ecstasy” of the six “seers” and the latter is allowed to disclose the texts of the messages that they would receive from the Madonna.

    Another NO regards the Medjugorje parish, dedicated to San Giacomo, who will become the Marian Shrine, as it would have liked to own the six “seers”. But not only the bishops in their dioceses should not receive the “seers” for public meetings and testimonies, as was the case until now, but merely to ensure accompanied by a priest, the pilgrims who come to Medjugorje. Pilgrims themselves, going to Medjugorje, will not have to recognize, by their presence, the authenticity of the apparitions and avoid any contact with the “seers”, focusing only on prayer and on the approach to the sacraments.

    But why so much severity by the Vatican? Firstly for the inconsistency theological message, then the economic interests of the “seers” who have invested in hotels and travel agencies, so the rivalries that have divided some of them and for disobedience is shown to the Bishop of Mostar, their diocese, both to the Pope, that through the “Commission Ruini” had ordered him, in vain, to deliver the ten secrets that they would receive from “Our Lady”.

    One of the key aspects that prompted the Vatican to use an iron fist, is just what the money: they had never seen true visionaries who lucrassero on their own appearances. Lawful, at this point, doubt: the six “seers” of Medjugorje claim to see and talk to Madonna because the alleged apparitions are real or just to draw the largest number of pilgrims from traveling to their agencies and to be placed in their hotels?

    The last word goes to Pope Francis, who soon will issue a special decree, but it is difficult to think that the Pope, may change the conclusions of the Doctrine of the Faith, because many times, himself, expressed more or hand clearly, the skepticism about the quality of what is happening in Medjugorje. It is, therefore, to a resounding “black smoke”. END.

    Let’s hope THAT is THAT!

    Alleluia!

  35. If this report is correct, it’s shocking that even one concession was made. One should make NO concessions to evil. The Medjugorje propagandists will simply exploit that to continue business as usual. I’ve just been dealing with one of them on another matter, and they are thoroughly dishonest.

    One of them put a post on his blog saying that Our Lady appeared to Sister Lucia of Fatima and told her She was appearing in Medjugorje. This lie has been repeated many times before, and a while back, someone actually wrote to the Fatima shrine and the Coimbra convent and asked if it were true. Both categorically stated that it wasn’t true.

    When I sent the site documentary evidence of this (i.e. a photocopy of a letter from the Fatima shrine authorities) they refused to post my comment, although they posted a pro-Medjugorje comment. When I remonstrated with them for not revealing the truth, I got a load of nonsensical responses, basically evading the issue. They just want to promote lies and suppress the truth.

    I’m also concerned about anything Pope Francis may say or do. Judging by comments made so far, I’d say he doesn’t support Medjugorje, and will reinforce the CDF decision officially, but you know what he is like for these unofficial ‘off-the-cuff’ remarks – he could say anything which they will exploit or give them false hope.

    • Editor
      I think your Google translation should say ‘the latter is NOT allowed to disclose the texts of the messages that they would receive from the Madonna . . . ‘

    • Westminsterfly,

      I’ve come to the conclusion that the Muddy Gorge fanatics are cut from the same cloth as the climate alarmists – both appear to be utterly impervious to reason!

  36. I think this Bing translation is a bit better:-

    Medjugorje, the Vatican rejects the apparitions and isolates the visionaries

    The only concession is to Medjugorje, recognized as a place of prayer, because God knows where they also collect seeds, explained Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, prefect of doctrine of the faith, the congregation during the Plenary that, yesterday, met to speak to the authenticity of the alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary to six “visionaries” of this small village in Bosnia and Herzegovina, who claim to have periodically receive messages from “Gospa” from 34 consecutive years.

    For the rest, the judgement of the former Holy Office, which expressed itself on the basis of the final report of the “Commission Ruini”, composed by Benedict XVI to shed light on these phenomena, was absolutely negative. For the Congregation of the doctrine of the faith, in fact, the “appearances” does not consist any supernatural, therefore it is forbidden to the faithful to participate in “ecstasy” of six “seers” and the latter is forbidden to disseminate the texts of the messages that they would receive from Madonna.

    Another NO concerns the parish Medjugorje, dedicated to St. James, which won’t become the Marian shrine, which would own the six “seers”. But not only: the bishops should not welcome in their Diocese the “visionaries” for meetings and public testimony, as happened up until now, but merely to assure the accompaniment by a priest, the pilgrims who will travel to Medjugorje. The pilgrims themselves, going to Medjugorje, will not have to recognize, by their presence, the authenticity of the apparitions and avoid any contact with the “seers”, focusing only on prayer and the combination to the sacraments.

    But why so much severity by the Vatican? First of all for the theological message inconsistency, then for the economic interests of “visionaries” who invested in hotels and travel agencies, so the rivalry that has divided some of them and for disobedience and shown the Bishop of Mostar, their diocese, both towards the Pope, through the “Commission Ruini” had ordered, in vain, to deliver the ten secrets that would receive from the “Gospa”.

    One of the key issues that prompted the Vatican to use an iron fist, is precisely that: money never had seen true seers who lucrassero on their own appearances. Fair, at this point, doubt: the six “visionaries” of Medjugorje claim to see and talk to Madonna because the alleged apparitions are real or just to draw the largest number of pilgrims to travel with their agencies and to fix in their hotels? The last word is up to the Pope, which soon will issue a special decree, but it is hard to imagine that the Pontiff would alter the conclusions of the doctrine of the faith, even as it repeatedly himself, showed more or clearly hand, his scepticism about the goodness of what is happening in Medjugorje. You go, therefore, to a resounding “black smoke”.

  37. Roma locuta est, causa finita est. Can’t say that as often these days as formerly, but thank God for an end to this scandal.

  38. Confitebor Domino

    As Diane Korzienewski said on her blog:- “Two main sources in Italy dropped bombshells by publishing articles online suggesting they had gotten a scoop on what is soon to happen with Medjugorje. One of those is a report from Vatican watcher Gianluca Barile, writing at Diary of a Vaticanista; and the other, a report by Serena Sartini of il Giornale . The accounts differ slightly, and neither mentions where they got the information, so presumably, it was leaked. Therefore, the usual caveats apply.”

    Undoubtedly these are leaks so maybe the official decision won’t come out until the Autumn.
    But either way the supporters of Medjugorje won’t go away that quietly. They’ve already got the next ruse worked out in the event of a negative verdict, in order to keep the show on the road, details of which were released on a new pro-Medjugorje website yesterday. God doesn’t want Church Approval of Medjugorje! There now, ain’t that a thing. http://vatican.medjugorje.com/why-has-god-not-wanted-church-approval-of-medjugorje You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    • WF,

      I’ve just read that link – truly incredible stuff. Church approval would “hinder” Our Lady… Absolutely crazy stuff.

  39. Some of you may have noticed when you logged in today, that there is a rainbow banner right across the top of the page, only logged in users can see it. I contacted WordPress Support to ask about it, and was told that it will be there for a few days in support of the American Supreme Court decision to legalise “gay marriage” in all 50 states of the USA.

    I expressed my outrage, said I found it grossly offensive, and asked them to remove it from our blog but they said they cannot do that.

    Am I alone in feeling fed up to the back teeth with homosexuality being rammed down our throats at every turn? As I said in my message to them, we don’t find marriage, or cohabitation or single celibate lifestyles being rammed down our throats at every turn, with parades, marches, celebrations that cost a packet, paid for by local authorities etc – just this (entirely unnatural) pseudo-sexual behaviour between two people of the same gender.

    Here folks, is one more reason to think twice about renewing our subscription next July.

    • Am commenting as it’s the only way I know of logging in to see this. Completely agree with editor about the strident, bullying way this campaign is carried on. It will come to the point at which companies like WordPress and Mozilla will be afraid NOT to support it with banners, etc. Maybe it’s reached that point already. These are dictatorship tactics.

    • Hmm. After all that, can’t see a rainbow banner. I’m working from an iPad which may be different. Or maybe WordPress has listened to Editor after all? At least it’s not obviously ‘in your face’, which is maybe a point in WordPress’s favour.

          • Editor,

            The rainbow banner is still up! I agree with Pew Catholic about “dictatorship tactics”. I’m sick of having the ‘gay agenda’ the ‘green agenda’ and every other perverse and nonsensical agenda being forced on us and then being told we are outdated for not ‘getting with’ the times 😯 😀

            This is for the world to see how progressive, inclusive and accepting we are.

            http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-lit-pride-colors-celebrate-sex-marriage/story?id=32063610

            • Jobstears,

              That’s truly unbelievable. For these people to abuse the rainbow and appropriate it for themselves to boast their perverse behaviour is bad enough but for the USA Government to actually portray their world famous building in those colours beggars belief. I do believe that whoever said “whom the gods would make mad they first destroy” was on to something.

              My already rock bottom opinion of all politicians is ever lower now – that is just incredible.

              I’m trying to think of any other example of a court ruling being celebrated in this way. I can’t think of one. Given Obama’s clear disapproval of Scottish independence, does that mean that, if the vote had been YES, he would have portrayed the white house draped in the saltire (Scottish flag)? I don’t think so.

              This is truly, as Summa so delicately put it, “sick”. Terminally ill, in fact.

          • Found it. Would CT’s webmaster be able to dream up some sort of opposing banner for THIS site? Would WordPress object, do you think?

            • Pew Catholic,

              Can’t be done.

              However, I’m now going to post a headline on the website with invitation to comment on this thread – I had thought of posting a new thread but too late now that there are several comments on this thread on the topic. I will refresh the website with a headline about the issue and the role of Catholic blogs in supporting WP.

  40. Well, they told me it would only be visible to logged in users – not just administrators. Anyway, they should not presume that everyone is pleased about the Supreme Court ruling. It is, as Pew Catholic says “dictatorship tactics”. I don’t think they’ll have removed it – they said it would up there for a few days at least, to show their support for the ruling. Anyway, I think it’s completely unacceptable.

    And here’s an interesting aside. When I have contacted WordPress for support, as earlier yesterday I was having a problem posting the new thread, they are always very good and resolve the issue. They then send me a “rate your experience” email where I can click that the experience was “great” “good” or “not good”. I’ve always clicked “great” and then a page appears asking me for more feedback, what could they have done better, to which I invariably reply that nothing could have been better, the employee was very efficient, resolved problem etc. Well, just now I received the email to “rate your experience” and clicked “not good” which took me to a page saying “thanks for your feedback” – no way of saying what was not good about it! Laugh? I thought I’d never start!

  41. Vote with your feet, editor, and don’t renew your subscription to WordPress. Having said that I can’t see any rainbow or any “READER” to click on!

    • Crofterlady,

      I did tell WP support that I would be discussing this with my colleagues and it is highly unlikely that we would be renewing our subscription next July. Reply: that’s your right…

      If only EVERY Catholic blog would threaten likewise, that might help.

      You will see the word Reader if you look at the top of this page, on the left hand side, where there is a black strip. The letter W is on the far left, then My Site, then Reader. Click Reader and you will see the banner.

  42. Got it! It’s not on my page automatically. I clicked on “Site Admin” at the top right hand side of this page and up came (on the left) W, My Site and Reader.

  43. I hate that rainbow banner and WordPress have a real nerve posting it without permission, assuming everyone is either pro-homosexual or “homophobic” – they can’t get it into their heads that some people may genuinely believe that sexual activity between two people of the same sex is plain wrong.

    I agree that it would be better not to sign up with them when the renewal comes up but is there honestly any point? Will other blogs be any different? I think they’re all going along with the homosexualists because it makes life a lot easier, at least on this side of eternity.

    • Forget the ‘Richard Of York’ mnemonic, it’s now been perversely mutated to ‘Ruination Of Youth Gives Beelzebub Iniquitous “Victory” ‘.

      And God’s words of hope and consolation after the Flood (‘I set my bow in the clouds as a sign of the covenant between Me and the earth’) have been diabolically appropriated and twisted to ‘I invert the bow and fix it in the earth as a defiled symbol of my pact with this faithless generation.’

  44. I fear for this world, I really do. Matters are racing so quickly to a conclusion in this final battle between Our Lady and Lucifer that it’s hard to keep up with the daily degeneration. As the Blessed Mother predicted at Quito and again at Fatima, the evil sects have taken complete control of the world’s affairs and are erasing all Christianity, holiness and purity from it with increasing haste while the Pope and the bishops make themselves conspicuous by their silence, and in some cases approval.

    Perhaps Pope Francis’ decision to be the first Pontiff to reject the Papal red slippers, symbolic of St. Peter’s martyrdom, was more telling than any of us first realised. But, as Our Lady promised, just when evil appears to have succeeded universally, Our Lady will manifest herself in a sudden and miraculous manner and will crush the head of the serpent. I believe this, and I believe it is iminent.

  45. Athanasius’s, well there could surely be no clearer sign of the ‘universal acceptance’ of one of the worst of sins than the rainbow lighting up of the White House. Also, and not unrelatedly, having just been reading Waterside4’s link on the green encyclical thread, and concluding that Freemasonry has all but achieved its final goal on earth, I agree that time must surely have just about run out. Frankly, I’m scared stiff about what might happen to this world when, we have been told, the living will envy the dead.

    • Christina,

      I wouldn’t be scared of what may come, just leave all in God’s hands. As long as we remain in a state of grace that’s all we need concern ourselves with. Besides, who knows, the Pope may yet find himself constrained to order the bishops to join with him in a public and solemn consecration of Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart, which would change everything.

      Failing this Pontifical action, however, the world will very shortly stand on the brink of nuclear war, as relations continue to deteriorate between Russia and the West, especially now that the U.S. appears to be strengthening its presence in other Baltic States. It’s almost as if Obama and other Western leaders have greatly underestimated the military strength of Russia, not to mention its ally China, and are sleep walking into disaster.

      Our Lady said at Fatima that Russia would be the instrument used by God to chastise the world. We have already seen this happen as one former Christian country after another has fallen into secular atheism and debauchery, the latter symptom historically indicative of a once-great civilisation now entered into its death throes. This is the supernatural chastisement, the apostasy of many nations and Churchmen resulting in a universal loss of souls unprecedented in 2000 years of Church history.

      The material chastisement, nuclear war, or direct divine intervention, does not come close in terms of horror, but it will be, as Our Lord said, unlike anything that has befallen the world from its foundation till now.

      It has to come because modern man, unlike any time before, now stands before God and declares his pride in the vilest of sins. Nations, one after the other, are rushing to join the Luciferian chorus “Non Serviam,” despising all that was once beautiful, holy and pure in favour of unbridled pagan hedonism. It’s the pride in their sins that will provoke God’s justice because they are now lost to all shame and modesty.

      Furthermore, it is not by accident that the “gay lobby” has siezed the rainbow symbol for its standard. The rainbow, says Holy Scripture, was set in the heavens by God as testimony to His promise never again to destroy the world by flood, which worldwide disaster was provoked by a general debauchery of mankind at the time. Our own generation has now far exceeded pre-flood immorality, and it uses that sacred symbol to further advocate its hatred of God and all that is holy. The New Age movement, an organ of the occult, also uses the rainbow. Why can’t people see the demonic intelligence behind so obvious a rebellion against the Almighty?

      As Apocalypse says: “…and the whole world bowed down in admiration of the beast”. Well, the beast, or Satan, will very soon be cast back into the eternal abyss along with his servants and admirers, all those who advocate and/or support immoral practices, those who call evil good and good, evil. Nothing is more certain, nothing more imminent, unless, like the people of Nineveh, there is a universal return to God in penance and amendment.

      Barring a great miracle, I personally cannot see so global a change of heart occurring. And it does not bode well that the ancient city of Nineveh was recently razed to the ground by ISIS and had its Christian polutation driven out. It’s the first time in 2000 years that Nineveh has been completely de-Christianised. We need the Pope to carry out that consecration of Russia now if the world hopes to escape the just wrath of God.

      • I don’t think Russia can be blamed for what has happened to Ireland during the past thirty or forty years.

        Ireland can only be described now as evil.

  46. Editor, in view of this WordPress outrage, I don’t see how a Catholic blog can continue to subscribe to it. Is there any alternative, as Helen suggests?

    • Christina,

      I agree with you and with all the other bloggers about WordPress being highhanded about putting up the rainbow banner (I wish these folks had taken some other symbol instead of poisoning the rainbow with their nonsense) without any consideration for clients who may not agree with the White House decision. I also realize that there might be a question of whether to continue to use their services. On the other hand, if CT were to withdraw from the blogosphere (?) WordPress would not go under, but we would lose a valuable tool for reaching struggling Catholics and those who may be just starting to feel uncomfortable in the Protestantized NO church.

      I do think there might be an alternative. Let’s see what we can find 😀

    • Christina,

      I’ve received an email from one of our young readers, a student in the USA who has followed this discussion and is keen not to lose the blog, which she tells me she uses more for her theology work than the CCC ! She kindly set about investigating alternative blogs and sent me a list of possible alternates which I will forward to our webmaster without delay.

      If he thinks we can switch to one of them, I’ll ask him if we can archive this one. Not sure if all of these posts would be lost. Remember, he chose this particular package after our previous blog was hacked, so we would have to make sure we switch to one of the same quality. And pray that they don’t want to advertise their local “Pride” march every year! Getting ridiculous, the way this minority group of people is running the entire western world.

      Jobstears,

      Thank you for your kind words – and note, it is a countrywoman of yours who has emailed the alternative blogs. God bless America!

  47. The latest news is that a rich gay couple in Banbury are taking to law in order to force Christian churches to marry gays. The politicised judiciary will of course support them despite the Governments 3 lock system. We have to bitterly accept that if gay marriage is a human right then the christian community must acknowledge that right the same as everyone else. But the evil of gay marriage lies with its effect on the rights of children. The American Paediatric Society has just announced its dismay at the passing of the Same Sex Marriage Bill. Numerous studies have shown it says of the detrimental effect on children who are reared in Gay Marriages. The Left totally ignores these studies since they are goaded only by ideology. We have Professor Anderson of Winchester University who with his married partner had a surrogate child each. Professor Anderson boasts of his over 1,000 relationships before marriage and his hope to have a thousand more. Pink News recently asked the leader of the Green Party leader if she would agree with three person marriages. Meanwhile In America Polygamous groups are beginning to assert their claims. The trouble is that Governments redefine Marriage without actually defining what marriage is, in a way their legislation is illegal because of this. I am afraid just saying two people in love is not a definition. I am old and am thankful I will not see the kind of society the ideologists of the Left are building – but God help our children,

  48. I’m bringing a ? over from the priest thread, as it is off topic there.

    I believe in all the Marian apparitions relating to the times we are living in, including Quito, but I have a problem with Quito that may seem rather silly! Nevertheless here it is, and it concerns the familiar image. A while ago, in a thread about the Divine Mercy image, some bloggers referred to the image of Christ as Sr. Faustina described Him. I was relieved that I was not alone in my distaste for the image which I find unpleasantly effeminate, and so incapable of inspiring devotion in me. On the contrary the images of Our Lady produced from the descriptions of the visionaries of Lourdes and Fatima are beautiful and a real aid to prayer.

    The image of our Lady of Good Success is supposed to have been sculpted by the Archangels Michael, Raphael and Gabriel, and Our Lady herself is said to have entered it. My difficulty is that the image, very plump, double-chinned and tattily-dressed to put it mildly, looks rather too ugly to inspire devotion in me, and is quite unlike the images of Our Blessed Lady that mere earthly visionaries have seen and described for our devotion. If anyone can point out the error of my ways, I’ll be grateful, but I would discount any explanations based on ideas of ideal beauty, which Our Lady surely possesses, changing with time and place. This face is surely too fat and too hectically coloured to be seen as beautiful in any age, Meanwhile this image is a real hindrance to my devotion to Our Lady of Good Success.

    • Christina,

      I have long had the same thoughts myself about the image of OLGS. I mentioned it – some time ago – in an email to a friend who has a great devotion to OLGS and she, too, said she hadn’t warmed to it. So, since your comment on the subject mirrored my own thoughts, I find it very interesting, and reassuring, to read WF’s response. Of course now that he has likened me to Helen’s avatar, he can do and say no wrong, so let’s leave it at that 😀

  49. Christina,

    I wouldn’t read too much into this. We all have different tastes in religious images. I once read that St Bernadette never much liked the statue of Our Lady of Lourdes in the grotto, she preferred the one which is now in the old jail at Lourdes. Also, some people don’t like the statues the design of which Our Lord dictated to Sister Lucia, of the Eucharistic Heart and the Immaculate Heart, both of which can be seen in the Coimbra convent in Portugal – and yet these were designed by Heaven (even if sculpted by men).

    Sometimes, photos can never do justice to the original. I have seen beautiful photos of Our Lady of Good Success, and some not good at all. I can’t say I’ve ever seen an image of Our Lady of Good Success where the statue is ‘tattily dressed’. I’m not particularly a fan of the ornate Spanish style myself, but I don’t have any problem with the appearance of the statue. I once heard that a priest who visited Quito said that the face on the statue was indescribably beautiful and that no picture could ever do it justice. I’ve also heard the same about the image of Our Lady on the tilma at Guadalupe.

    Also, bear in mind that the Child Jesus with Our Lady of Good Success is not the original statue of the Child, which was secreted somewhere in the convent at Quito during a time of persecution. It has been prophesied that it will be found again, in better times.

    As long as you are aware that Quito has had continuous ecclesiastical approval, and was declared an official Marian shrine (see the declaration in the magazine, I put the link in my comment on the other thread) I wouldn’t let the appearance of the image detract from the devotion, as Our Lady has said great graces will be given to those who honour Her under this title.

    • WF, thank you very much for that detailed and interesting reply, especially for the mention of the priest who found the statue to be ‘indescribably beautiful’ which is what I would expect under the circumstances. I thought the image on the heading to the priest thread was the only one – I must try to find another.

  50. Can anyone tell me something about the NeoCats referred to as having a Lutheran Liturgy in the latest edition of The Flock. Apparently they were invited by bishop Mark Davies into his diocese of Shrewsbury. Who are they?

      • You’re welcome. Steer well clear of them. There are some absolutely shocking videos on YouTube of some of their outlandish ‘liturgies’. I’m very sorry to learn that Bishop Davies has invited them in, I think he might regret it.

  51. Everyone – please sign and spread this petition:

    There is a proposal by the Spiritual Care Chaplaincy team at North Manchester General Hospital (Crumpsall) to close the Catholic Chapel of Saint Raphael in order to convert it into a Muslim prayer room. Worship spaces are going to be provided for Muslims, Jewish people and Protestant Christians, and even a “Quiet Room” for people of no faith at all! Yet it is proposed that Catholics should have no space of their own.

    St Raphael’s Chapel contains the Blessed Sacrament and Mass is celebrated weekly. It is well used and highly valued by patients, staff and visitors at the hospital.

    See this article, the link to the petition is therein:

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/06/29/catholics-protest-over-plan-to-turn-hospital-chapel-into-muslim-prayer-room/

    • Apparently the Muslims already have two rooms in the hospital, presumably one for men and one for women. They require a third room because the current mens’ prayer room does not have wash facilities.

      It is greedy and brazen. It should not be tolerated. They are taking the p***.

    • The petition was a success according to the person who started it:

      Thanks to all for their support (including members of the Muslim community) who signed the petition. We succeeded in persuading the Chaplaincy to change their mind. Hopefully, they can now make progress with providing a space for the Muslim community which suits everyone.

      Sincerely,
      Ged Murphy

      Almost 6,200 people signed the petition (including some Muslims – so fair play to them.)

      http://www.thepetitionsite.com/475/153/626/stop-the-closure-of-the-catholic-chapel-at-nmgh/

  52. FIRST SATURDAY REMINDER

    On March 19, 1939, Sister Lucia said the following regarding the First Saturday devotion of reparation:-

    “Whether the world has war or peace depends on the practice of this devotion (the First Saturdays), along with the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This is why I desire its propagation so ardently, especially because this is also the will of our dear Mother in Heaven”.

    The next First Saturday is on July 4th. Please do the First Saturday devotion as requested by Our Lady of Fatima.

  53. The Evening Times reports that the Archdiocese of Glasgow is to get an Auxiliary Bishop, as a result of the infirmity of Archbishop Tartaglia.

    (I would thought it better for ++Tartaglia to resign and allow someone in good health to take over, but what do I know?).

    It also reports on the fact the Scottish Bishops have declared Scotland a “mission country” as they appeal to priests from the 3rd world to come to minister here.

    While I am glad that we as Catholics can “ship in” reinforcements for the clergy like this, I dont think its likely that Bishops elsewhere would let their brightest and best leave and so I am hesitant as to the quality of clergy this appeal might interest.

    http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13367095.Pope_Francis_agrees_to_plea_for_new_Glasgow_bishop_as_Scotland_declared__missionary_territory_/

    What does it say about the Bishops own performance, that they say Scotland is “mission territory” after nearly 2,000 years of Christianity here?

    I would suggest it highlights the complacency and lack of vigour which has long characterised the Scottish Church.

    This is what happens when your only priority is the threadbare nonsense of ecumenism. When people are not taught the faith, its hardly surprising that few people wish to give their lives to God. When priests behave like buffoons, its hardly surprising that few men wish to become priests.

    • Gabriel Syme,

      Maybe I being a little too conspiratorial when I say this, but it’s quite common for Pope Francis to appoint an auxiliary bishop to a diocese where the resident bishop remains publicly immovable on the Church’s teaching concerning marriage. Archbishop Tartaglia has made no secret of his opposition to those who attempted to alter Church teaching on marriage last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if the auxiliary is eventually appointed Archbishop of Glasgow! But then, may Archbishop Tartaglia is genuinely ill.

      • That is an interesting thought!

        ++Tartaglia is indeed in poor health, he recently suffered his second heart attack – thankfully he seems to be making a good recovery, but obviously someone who has suffered two heart attacks is not the best option for a role which may be stressful and demanding at times.

        As for the “mission country” part of the report above; perhaps I was a bit unkind with my analysis there, but I do think it shows that the Church is selling itself and Our Lord short, if it cant produce enough indigenous vocations to sustain itself.

        Even Cardinal O’Brien, prior to his downfall, could see it when he said (paraphrasing) “Scotland should be able to provide its own priests after >1,500 years of Christianity”.

  54. Can some erudite person inform me as to the prayers, if any, are mandated to be recited whilst the priest cleanses the sacramental vessels after the Communion.

  55. Can some erudite person inform me of the prayers, if any, mandated to be recited during the cleansing of the sacramental vessels post Communion at Mass.

    • Sixupman,

      Pending a response from an erudite person, a Sunday Missal from the 1950s that is now in my possession has the following:

      While the priest rinses the chalice –

      Quod ore sumpsimus,Domine,pura mente capiamus: et de munere temporali fiat nobis remedium sempiternum.

      (What has passed our lips as food,O Lord, may we possess in purity of heart, that what is given us in time be our healing for eternity.)

      And then, whilst water is poured over his fingers:

      Corpus tuum,Domine,quod sumpsi,et Sanguis,quem potavi,adhæreat visceribus meis: et præsta; ut in me non remaneat scelerum macula,quem pura et sancta refecerunt sacramenta: Qui vivis et regnas in sæcula sæculorum.
      Amen.

      (May Thy Body, O Lord, which I have eaten, and Thy Blood, which I have drunk, cleave unto my very soul, and grant that no trace of sin be found in me, whom these pure and holy mysteries have renewed. Who lives and reigns world without end. Amen.)

    • In the traditional rite the following are said by the priest (in Latin):

      Grant, O Lord, that what we have taken with our mouth we may receive with a pure mind: and that from a temporal gift it may become for us an eternal remedy.

      May Thy Body, O Lord, which I have received and thy Blood which I have drunk cleave to my heart: and grant that no stain of sin may remain in me, whom Thy pure and holy sacraments have refreshed; Who livest and reignest world without end. Amen.

      In the Novus Ordo only the first prayer is said. The second was presumably considered much too Catholic!

      • Very red faced! Perhaps I should read the ‘red’ notes in my missal. The very prayers I religiously recite
        after my own reception of Communion, regardless I only receive under one kind.

        I raised the question as it related to the fastidiousness of my, now usurped, (parish) priest when he cleanses the vessels. He is banned from Celebrating Mass in (his) church and now says Mass in a convent chapel. The proximity twixt Celebrant and congregation tends to heighten the experience and although an NOM when cleansing the vessels he recites the prayers in Latin.

        But, as I say, Red faced indeed.

        • Sixupman,

          No need to feel “red faced” about that – goodness knows how often I’ve made what I came to think of as daft mistakes. I wouldn’t have known the answer to your question off the top of my head, and since I presumed you referred to the novus ordo Mass, I couldn’t answer anyway – it’s so long since I’ve attended one (apart from a recent funeral when I wasn’t paying attention to such detail.)

          So, put a smile on that “red face” and think nothing of it. Thanks to your question and the responses to it, we all know the answer, so if it comes up again, we’re informed on the subject…

  56. Okay sleuths, please highlight my general incompetence by finding a copy of the 1923 Rule of St. Dominic for Tertiaries.

    I have searched high and low but to no avail. the 1985 Rule is imbued by modernism.

  57. Why is there more antipathy towards the traditional Mass is Scotland, compared to England? This is something that has always puzzled me. In England provisions for the traditional Mass are hugely more generous, and in general, it is more socially acceptable among Catholics there to be traditionally inclined. Even the Novus Ordo in England, especially in the oratories (there are four), is vastly more high-church that anything you could find in Scotland, except perhaps Pluscarden (but even then Pluscarden has nothing on the oratories).

    From my experience, I know there is a deep-seated suspicion towards the traditional Mass and those who attend it in Scotland. This is the same in England, among many people, but it is not at the near universal level as it is in Scotland. In the Archdiocese of Westminster alone there are more diocesan traditional Masses than in the whole of Scotland. The Latin Mass Society is relatively strong and thriving compared to Scotland’s abysmal and non-existent ‘Una Voce’.

    England even has a couple of diocesan bishops who are open to the traditional Mass, for example +Mark of Shrewsbury, who founded an ICKSP shrine Church in Mersyside. Not one of Scotland’s bishops has done anything like this, not even +Keenan of Paisley who is reportedly our most conservative prelate. There is no traditional Mass there so far, even though it has been requested many times, as it was when he was chaplain at the University of Glasgow.

    How come Scotland never got the ‘indult’ back in the day like England did? Was it the influence of Irish Jansenism, which disfavours high liturgy? Are the Scots generally more philistine? In England, among young people, anyone who’s anyone is into the traditional Mass. In Scotland however, it is Medjugorje and the Charismatic movement that holds the most esteem among our most fervent young Catholics, like at Craig Lodge for example.

    • From this summer’s edition of LMS Mass of Ages Magazine:

      In this issue we have a fascinating interview with Bishop Mark O’Toole of Plymouth, the former Rector of Allen Hall seminary and Private Secretary to Cormac Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor. Bishop O’Toole tells us he is not only ‘open’ to learning to celebrate Mass in the Extraordinary Form, he is actively working to ensure good provision of the Traditional Rite in his diocese.

      That’s at least two English bishops who are on board, to some extent at least. Scotland has not one. Not one!

      • MMSB,

        The key reason why Una Voce has not had any impact on the Scots bishops is because they have been so pitiably grateful for any crumbs that fall from the episcopal table. They have never demanded the right which Catholics have to be provided with the TLM and accept weekday provision only.

        That and the fact that their own Chairman or whatever his title is, fulfils his Sunday obligation at the novus ordo in the House of Heresy, St Aloysius Jesuit church in Garnethill, where he sings in the choir, would you believe, really doesn’t lend an air of urgency to the whole business. I mean, imagine a couple of elderly ladies travelling for miles to get to the Sunday TLM in Sacred Heart Glasgow, only to find that the chief cook and bottle-washer who organises it, is off to the novus ordo in town – truly, you couldn’t make it up.

        Then, when Una Voce do arrange a Mass for a feast day, for example, as they did recently for the Feast of SS Peter & Paul, they organise a sung Mass/High Mass, which few, if any can follow.

        Seldom does Una Voce arrange a simple low Mass which is all most people want, especially at this time in our history when people are either being re-introduced to the TLM or are attending for the first time. Making people run before they can walk is the analogy which springs to mind.

        I had a telephone call from someone who attended a recent UV sung Mass and he was dismayed. He was totally distracted by the constant activity in the sanctuary, the talking, all the priests apparently, new to the Mass, getting to know it and therefore, a low Mass was the obvious choice. Unless, of course, you think the music is the thing…

        The elderly man who rang me, regularly attends the TLM and loves it, but rang in dismay, saying he was sorry he’d gone along and said that another man remarked on the way out that he found the whole thing impossible to follow.

        So, all and any efforts to get the Scots clergy to embrace and learn the old Mass, should body-swerve Una Voce. Priests who wish to learn the old Mass are invited to contact the SSPX priests in Carluke (Google SSPX Great Britain district and select “Mass Centres” then scroll to Carluke) and they will do their best to arrange to help you, in strictest confidence. Honestly, that, and perhaps one of the LMS courses, if they still run, in England, should suffice – I strongly recommend that no priest should seek help to learn the ancient Mass from Una Voce.

        • They don’t even have a website. He ought to be honest and say that Una Voce doesn’t exist any more, because it doesn’t. That would be the honest thing to do.

    • In the Salford Diocese there exists one Sunday TLM, plus one SSPX TLM, one Wednesday evening and one Saturday TLM morning [close-by SSPX chapel. The Diocesan TLM, origiinally at The Holy Name and now at St. Chads [Oratory] was allowed in sufferance and to save The Holy Name being sold, by Jesuits, to Manchester University or developers. There used to be another on the far north of the diocesan boundary.

      • Indeed. The priests at St Chad’s love the traditional Mass, and want to say it, and say it competently. That is more than can be said for Glasgow. Also, Saint Chad’s is in a central location, which is more than can be said for, erm Bridgeton.

    • This is an interesting question that I have often thought about. Perhaps Irish “Jansenism” had something to do with it. I don’t know, but I do think that class may have been a factor. The overwhelming majority of Catholics in Scotland were descended from Irish and Highland peasants, with just a handful of middle class “Aloysians” making up the numbers. The situation in England was very different, with a large proportion of Irish immigrants, but with many descendants of the Recusants and High Anglicans who crossed the Tiber during the days of the Oxford Movement.

      Another factor may have been that the Scottish personality is less impressed by ceremony of the High Church, “bells and smells” so to speak! Perhaps that’s why Scotland chose Presbyterianism at the Reformation with its dreary conformity, while England, after several bouts of flip-flopping, went with Episcopalianism which retained many of the outward trappings of the pre-Reform religion. With the introduction of the Novus Ordo, perhaps people were less emotionally attached to the ceremony of the Roman Rite than many people in England.

      It could also be just down to the difference in population size. The population of England is far larger and there are far more Catholics.

      • Alex F,

        I’m a little surprised that you accept the premise of Muffin Man’s conclusion about the lack of enthusiasm in the modern Church for the ancient Mass.

        It’s got absolutely NOTHING to do with Jansenism, Irish or otherwise, nothing to do with “class” or anything else, and everything to do with the apostate state of the bishops and much of the clergy since THAT Council. Nothing else.

        After all, converts poured into the Catholic Church prior to Vatican II and the Mass was, very often, THE attraction. I’m thinking, for example, of the famous former minister of the Church of Scotland who became Bishop Henry Graham (18th century). I remember quoting his words on the Mass in an edition of our newsletter, but haven’t time to search it out. Take it from me that he heaped praise on the ancient Mass and more or less said there was nothing this side of Heaven quite like it.

        Then, of course, our Scots saint and martyr, another convert, John Ogilvie SJ gave his life’s blood in defence of the Mass. Scots, like Catholics the world over, loved the Mass that nourished the saints and martyrs until the Modernists took it away from us in the 20th century, part of the fall-out from the Second Vatican Catastrophe, as one of our Scots journalists calls it.

        I am totally amazed that, even at this stage in the apostasy, generally referred to as “the crisis in the Church” (even by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI) we still have readers asking “I wonder what the reason is for the “antipathy” towards the old rite Mass in Scotland.”

        Taking a walk through the reports in our newsletter alone, with page after page reporting the manifest loss of Catholic Faith in the hierarchy and clergy, should be sufficient to answer the question. Jansenism? You kidding? These bishops and priests are not remotely Jansenist in any way. They, like most cancers, are “progressives” who have undermined and sabotaged the Faith and the Sacred Liturgy to the point where they absolutely hate both.

        That’s why they are silently complicit in the spread of sexual immorality and full of praise for every “ism” except Catholicism.

        Nothing to do with Jansenism or difference in population size between England and Scotland. There are a minority of bishops (two I think) in England who are certainly doing something to permit the Traditional Mass, and that’s something, but nobody, north or south of the border, is any real threat to the Modernist bullies running the show. And, I repeat, that’s because of the apostasy – the loss of divine and Catholic Faith – widespread within the hierarchy and clergy today. They don’t believe it all. Simple, really.

        Our Lady has warned us, as far back as Quito, Ecuador in the 17th century, then at Fatima (Portugal) in the early 20th century and later, 1973, at Akita (Japan) that this crisis was a-coming. So, we’ve absolutely no excuse to be wondering why there is a crisis, why there is such a hatred of the ancient Mass, at this stage in the game. No excuse at all.

        Sorry, lads, but at the risk of sounding school-marmish I have to exhort you to… think, think, think. And when you’ve done that, think again!

        • I don’t quite understand what your point is. Muffin Man asked why there appeared to be more of a demand for the pre-Vatican II liturgy in England than in Scotland. Perhaps I’m wrong, but it does seem to be the case.

          If we take it from the premise that the clergy in Scotland were no more and no less Modernist than anywhere else, it seems odd that there would be more of a demand for the Latin Mass in England than in Scotland, and this was the case from quite early on as is evidenced by the English Indult. So why is that?

          Is it something unique to England or the other countries in These Islands? There was no Counter Reformation in Scotland like there was in England, and for the most part the Protestant Reformers got things their own way with few exceptions. In England there was far more resistance during the Reformation, with many examples of people taking a stand against Protestantism. Thank God for pig-headed Anglo-Saxons! 😁

          • Alex,

            My point is that Muffin Man went back in history, (see his reference to “Irish Jansenism“) in order to explain the prevailing hostility to the ancient Mass. That doesn’t make sense, in my humble opinion.

            Yes, there were notable differences at the time of the Reformation – with England apparently much more strongly Catholic than Scotland – that is true; it was Henry VIII’s claim that he wished to be head of the Church IN (not OF) England that caused the English to sleep-walk into Protestantism, while the whole tone and ethos of the Reformation in Scotland differed considerably. But that has nothing to do with the Modernism now strangling Catholicism.

            This crisis is of diabolical origin and cannot be explained away by events in the 16th century. The Catholic Church was strong and impressive until Vatican II, and even the cheeky claims of Presbyterians that it was John Knox who gave us education for all is easily refuted by the well documented research of historians of integrity that in pre-reformation Scotland it was the Catholic Church which served communities in every respect, including education.

            As for why the Catholics in England were quick to move to reject the new Mass and demand the TLM at the dawn of Vatican II – well, more recent history explains that. There were notable English Catholics who rejected the new Mass right away; read, e.g. the correspondence between the author Evelyn Waugh and Cardinal Heenan where the former expressed his dismay at the way the new Mass had been imposed and his experience of it; the Cardinal’s replies are rivetting. You can read these letters, available in a small book entitled A Bitter Trial

            Then, the famous “Agatha Christi” letter to Pope Paul VI, presented to him in person, I think I’m correct in saying, by Cardinal Heenan, undoubtedly helped secure the indult permitting the continuation of the TLM south of the border.

            Perhaps that letter, signed by prominent people, including the author Agatha Christi, is why Muffin Man refers to “class” influence. I prefer to think of it as the simple truth that there was more leadership in England, that leading Catholics acted quickly to make sure they could continue to enjoy the traditional Mass, while in Scotland, as per usual, passivity ruled the day. “If it’s good enough for the Pope” the Scots will say “it’s good enough for me…” So, I do agree with you, Alex, that we should thank God for pig-headed Anglo-Saxons! 😁

            I could be wrong, of course, in everything I’ve written above, bound to happen some day, and if I’m misreading what Muffin Man and your good self are actually meaning to say, then my humbug apologies but it’s been one of them there days and I’m just about ready to hit the hay – I’ve decided to give the pubs and clubs a miss this weekend 😀

      • I understood the reference to Irish Jansenism as hyperbole. Of course, the Irish were not actual Jansenists. It’s a bit like calling someone a “fascist” even when they don’t have membership of any right-wing Italian political parties.

        • Alex,

          I know what you mean. I’ve been called a Fascist more times than I care to remember, yet I haven’t renewed my subscription this year… 😀

  58. What’s the world coming to?

    I have just been accused of… wait for it… being unChristian when I made a comment to someone in Ireland that I pitied them for voting for unnatural marriage.

    Irony abounds.

  59. Most people don’t have a clue about what it means to be Christian. They equate it with being “nice”, tolerating the intolerable, and never judging anything as “evil”, Racism, sexism and paedophilia are, I think, the only exceptions to this rule, although I think the next bad boy may be “climate change deniers”.

    • Therese,

      As ever, spot on. Climate change deniers are now denounced by the Pope among others! Truly, you couldn’t make it up.

  60. Hello everyone. I’m a lapsed Catholic who feels a great desire to return to the Church. However, I am keen to attend a parish which is genuinely Catholic, with a good and holy priest. Where would be recommended within the Archdiocese of Glasgow? I would also consider travelling to North Lanarkshire (Diocese of Motherwell). Thank you very much for any help you can give.

    • Hello Cara, and welcome to our humble blog.

      If you are a lapsed Catholic, you may not be fully aware of the terrible extent of the crisis in the Church. So bad, that the Scots bishops have just admitted their failure to keep the Faith and are now saying that Scotland is mission territory. Priests are being drafted in from (to quote the Archbishop of Glasgow) “wherever.” That’s how bad things are right across this nation.

      Given that this crisis was foretold by Our Lady (obviously, sent by God) as far back as the 17th century and later in the 20th century (Fatima and Akita in Japan) with notice that God would supply a “lifeboat” (my word, not Our Lady’s!) to see us through the crisis which is largely caused by the loss of Faith among priests and bishops, my recommendation is that you attend Mass where I, and several of the bloggers here attend, in a chapel of that “lifeboat” in Glasgow city centre!

      That is, the chapel of the Society of St Pius X in Glasgow (SSPX) – Renfrew Street – details here

      If you are driving, and decide to come along, two things: firstly, for your first week I suggest parking in Cambridge Street car park (£2.50 all day Sundays) and just walk up Renfrew Street and (2) you come into the tearoom afterwards and join us for a chat. You will be made most welcome. If we don’t pounce on you first, which we try to do when we spot a newcomer, just ask for “the Catholic Truth people” and you will be pointed in our direction right away.

      Pay no attention to anyone to whom you may mention this, who may try to tell you that the SSPX is a “breakaway” group or “schismatic” – that’s either a blatant lie from someone who knows better, or a remark made out of ignorance. It’s not the position of the Church authorities in Rome. It’s easier to explain everything in person, than write it all down, so I hope you will come along, tomorrow, if possible.

      The crisis in the Church is intimately connected with the introduction of the new Mass, created for the express purpose of removing all Catholic prayers that might offend Protestants. This is highly offensive to God and no wonder that we have been witnessing scandal after scandal and the decline of the Church in our times, in a way never before experienced in history. So, if you’d like to attend the Mass which is known to please God and to benefit from all the graces thereof, please come along tomorrow (9.45.) and we will be delighted to meet you.

      • Ed.,

        The suspense is killing me. I may be speaking for a few of the contributors on here (there’s a first time for everything, I suppose) when I say, without asking you to break any confidences, did Cara turn up??

        Please put me out of my misery (and that’s just me using a figure of speech by the way).

        • Spudeater,

          If Cara turned up, he/she did not go into the tearoom after Mass, so I’m guessing he/she didn’t turn up.

          Maybe next week?

    • Hi Cara,

      I’ve been in your position too. welcome back! I have to say that you would be wasting your time going to the average parish where the @Faith has been truly lost . I would recommend St. Andrew’s on Renfrew Street in Glasgow or St. Margaret and the St. Leonard’s on Leonard’s Street in Edinburgh. Seriously, Cara, you would be wasting your spiritual energy going anywhere else.

    • Dear Cara
      Your post resonated with me so I hope you don’t mind me throwing in my tuppence worth.
      I too was a lapsed Catholic. I stopped beating myself up about it as I have come to realise that the post conciliar Catholic Church lays the ground lukewarmness and indifference. I fell away accordingly.

      Then I read St Thomas Aquinas and with the guidance of the Holy Ghost I came back to the Faith: to the Novus Ordo.

      I lasted 6 weeks. I was horrified at what i was seeing.

      I found a Chapel of the Society of Saint Pius X and my faith and love of God has grown enormously.

      Whatever you do, stay a reader and contributor to this wonderful blog. They do a fantastic job in promoting the Truth. Truly Christ’s Apostles.

      • Summa and Helen

        Your two posts have delighted me – I had no idea you were both “returnees”, you are so educated and firm in the Faith. One of the things that has so worried and depressed me over the last 40 years is the number of people who have been deprived of the Faith, and I wondered how anyone would find their way home again, when to all intents and purposes that home was occupied by new tenants. Not for the first time, I should have had more trust in God; He found His stolen sheep, and Cara is His latest acquisition. Welcome home Cara.

  61. Cara, it’s lovely to hear from a person who is seeking the truth. So very few people do these days. Maybe they are so caught up with our technological society that they have stopped thinking. Anyway, I would definitely recommend St. Andrew’s in Renfrew St., Glasgow as a good starting point. Mass is at 9.45 am. If you need any phone numbers or email addresses of good Catholics, let me know

  62. Given the overall catastrophic state of the Catholic Church now (I was told by a priest friend last night, a member of French Order who had just returned from a seminar on migrants, that there were more baptisms in Hong Kong last year than in the whole of France), it seems to me easy to understand why there is a crisis in marriage and the family.

    An example: I am in Addis Ababa at the moment. I found myself a Catholic Church and arrived this morning 20 minutes before the end of the 9 AM Mass in Amharic — the Mass seemed very different from the Latin Rite, it was beautiful and glorious. The Ethiopian Catholic Church must be one of the Eastern Catholic Rites I am guessing. The reverence on display was sincere, magnificent and moving.

    Then came the 10 AM Mass in English. The opposite. Ham-fisted gestures, lay people swarming all over the Sanctuary, a “liturgical ministerial” position I have never heard off before (“the Commentator” *, some Indian bloke); the most banal quasi-chant written by some unknown musical ignoramus; a total lack of depth, of maturity, the palpable boredom of the congregation (you could feel it); no genuflection by the priest at the Consecration; and on an on. Well, at least I didn’t walk out as I usually do when I make the gross error of assisting at a Novus Ordo Mess, but I left with the profound thought that “Thiss is not Catholic at all, it’s an ersatz Mass deliberately designed against the Catholic Faith”.

    If the Mass has been destroyed by false theology, are you surprised by Francis, Kasper et al? I’m not.

    * I was of course agog to see what “the Commentator” would come out with. Would it be, “And the priest is moving up on the rails towards the Altar, but one of the altar boys has sneaked in ahead of him, there’s two furlongs to go in this Novus Ordo Steeplechase Ceramic Cup, the priest is using his whip, he’s catching up fast but no! The altar boy by wins by a head”.

    In fact not. The said gentleman popped up at the ambo once or twice with announcements and delivered the usual utterly dreary “Bidding Prayers” to an utterly dejected Congregation. Why anyone turns up to this rubbish I can only wonder.

      • The priest was not at all happy with me. After Mass, he made a beeline for me to find out who I was (not many whites in the congregation of course). I grinned and told him I had two questions. The conversation went thus:

        “Why didn’t you genuflect at the Consecration Father? I know our beloved HF doesn’t but that’s no reason for you to ignore the rubrics”.

        “Well, we are all learning, so I have learned something today” (strangled attempt at a smile).

        “I’d have thought you’d have learned that in the seminary or even earlier. Second question: why has the parish got a ‘Medjugore Rosary Group’ when that sham has been condemned by the local Bishop, who is the canonical authority on apparitions? Why haven’t you got a ‘Fatima Rosary Group’, for instance?”

        “Well, we should all pray ….”

        “Pray what, Father? That Medjugore isn’t a demonic effort to discredit Fatima and that ‘our Lady’ didn’t actually teach heresy there?”

        Indian priest now seriously annoyed: “Maybe we should leave that to the HF and we should pray that …”.

        Snort of total derision from yours truly and priest moves off to friendlier climes.

        You see how bad it’s got? I just cannot control myself with these Modernist oafs anymore. Buffoons and illiterates, the lot of them. And I have to say, whether it’s him with his “We should all pray …” non-answer, or whether it’s the Capuchin Indian priests in Qatar, the Indian clergy I have come across are all utterly and hideously Vatican II-ized, more than others even.

        • Ben,

          Makes sense. The Scots bishops announce that the Church here is now mission territory (as we’ve been saying for years – March 1999 to be precise) and who do they rope in to “missionise” us? Indian clergy who, according to your experience are all “Vatican II message”

          Makes perfect sense. .

        • And here’s me looking forward to them Indian priests coming to the Galloway Diocese.

          I hope they are not a bunch of cowboys.

          • Frankier,

            C’mon! Everyone knows that the Indians didn’t get along with the cowboys (with the exception of Tonto, of course). You may have been watching too many post-conciliar Westerns? Having said that, I must confess that I myself am after a copy of ‘The Good, the (not really that) Bad and the Smugly (complacent).’

          • We have one of dem injuns and I assure you that Bencjcarter is spot on! Dreadful dearth of priestly formation.

            • Spud and Olaf

              Looks like the Galloway diocese is in for a rough ride.

              Any lawlessness, such as celebrating a TLM, and we may have to run them outta town.

  63. May I ask the Editor a serious question which she may be able to answer given her theological training?

    If the Holy Father is right with all this 1970’s rubbish about “walking together” everywhere and with everyone, why is he so overweight?

    • Ben,

      Drat! That was the day I was off sick. I remember being told that they covered that question about “walking together” and I believe there was a sound Karl Rahner theory about the link between “walking together” and “weight loss”.

      I believe I borrowed another student’s notes but for the life of me, I can’t find them.

      Will keep searching though… 😀

  64. The following link is a blog from the Catholic Herald, which as we all know, is not particularly Catholic.

    I vomited profusely (figuratively) upon reading this line:

    These are men like Iain Duncan Smith, the devoutly Catholic architect of the Government’s welfare reforms

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/july-3rd-2015/have-posh-catholics-had-their-day/

    I wish people wouldn’t make judgements like this. We cannot read people’s souls. How does Will Heaven from the Catholic Herald know that Iain Duncan Smith is devoutly Catholic? Surely this is known to God alone? He has a pro-life voting record. So what? This is to be expected of all Catholic statesmen. To praise someone for not supporting murder is ludicrous.

    There are some devout Catholics who will have suffered because of Iain Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms and they will likely be annoyed to read this.

    Let us consider the Conservative Party’s track record. It was them after all who passed homosexual Marriage and other have heretofore failed to protect the most vulnerable in society, i.e. the unborn.

    A Catholic newspaper should stay out of politics. Unlike the editorial of team of the Catholic Herald, we aren’t all Conservative Party supporters. We are however no less devout than Ian Duncan Smith.

    • MMSB,

      I have my doubts about Iain Duncan Smith’s Catholic credentials – he voted IN FAVOUR of the Same Sex ‘Marriage’ Bill. If that’s ‘devout’, then “Give me a pint of your lukewarmest, please,Bartender.” Then again, maybe he just walked through the wrong lobby……..?

      • Spudeater,

        Don’t harbour doubts about Iain Duncan Smith’s Catholic credentials – he hasn’t any.

        The man is a two-faced (at least) scoundrel who did a massive about-turn on same-sex marriage, for un-disguisedly career reasons. He makes Pontius Pilate look like the good guy.

        As for his alleged concern for the poor – yeah right.

        • Really?!!! I won’t be voting for him then. I’ll alert all my family about this. Thank you, editor.

          • Helen,

            I’ve been trying to remember the name of the young female Catholic politician who initially planned to vote FOR same sex marriage, said so on her website, and then changed her mind, saying her (Catholic) conscience wouldn’t let her.

            Duncan-Smith was scathing in his criticism of her, and instead of keeping his blankety blank faithless mouth shut, said something to the effect that he just couldn’t understand her problem.

            I had been pre-disposed to be sympathetic to him, since a friend told me some years ago that she had a meeting with him about her concerns regarding sex-education in schools and he appeared to share her concerns. Now, I would cross the street to avoid him.

            • Ed.,

              The ‘doubts’ I have about IDS are the same as the ‘doubts’ that I have about Celtic ever winning the European Cup again! I think the female politician is Sarah Teather – but even with her, I recall her saying something on Question Time a couple of years ago about the homosexualist lobby that I strongly disagreed with. As you yourself have said so diffidently(!) on previous occasions – scoundrels one and all.

        • I didn’t know that, shocking.

          I can’t understand how they can call themselves ‘conservative’. It is amazing how many pro-gay and anti-life MPs they have.

          The only thing that they wish to conserve is neo-liberal economic dogma, which has only been around since about the 1970s.

          So they aren’t even remotely conservative, not even in the Burkean sense.

          The only true conservatives are Catholics, and the only true ‘liberals’ are Catholics, for as with the NP scheme, our ‘liberal democracy’ is positively totalitarian, yet we have liberty in Christ.

          • MMSB,

            “neo-liberal economic dogma”? You kidding? They have the same economic Tory dogma that they’ve always had; keep the poor, poor and make the rich richer. And the useful idiots up here, trying to pretend they’re a notch above their working class roots, will call that “tribal politics.” Sure is, when you’re one of the poor getting poorer. Trouble is, now all the parties preach the Tory dogma, more or less, such is their unconscionable desperation for power, at any (literally) cost.

            Anyway, we try to avoid party politics here, so let’s leave it at that. Yes, I get the last word! Unless we take your closing paragraph as the last word – in which case, well said!

            Sarah Teather – yes, that’s her name. She never did reply to my email congratulating her on her courage in publicly reversing her decision to vote for same sex “marriage”.

  65. I just heard that the chancellor is going to limit some family benefit or other to the first 2 children. Nasty, evil lot!

    • Crofterlady,

      Exactly. It’s unbelievable that they’re so brazen about it. Next time I hear politicians talking about welcoming migrants from other parts of the world, saying how they enrich the population, I’ll think of this. Welcome them in any number from outside, but keep the local population down. It really is evil.

    • I write not as a Tory (I am a natural conservative, but not one with a big “C”), but as a neutral pragmatist.

      The country is broke. Have you any idea of how much money we are borrowing merely to finance the obligations that come up for re-payment? Few do, but it is truly frightening. If the Chancellor really wanted to balance the books, the Welfare State would be a thing of the past altogether. The same os true of virtually every other western State.

      Here’s the thing: since the Second World War, all western governments have kept Communism at bay (this was the real reason for western social democracy) by making sure the masses didn’t have a reason to adopt violent revolution a la the Russians, Chinese and others. It worked. But it has become completely unsustainable and it WILL finish at some point. So today’s new rule which you allude to is simply a pragmatic decision to limit the welfare to a bog standard modern family unit size.

      What happens when the whole thing comes off the rails – and it will happen, the Welfare State as we have known it is very definitely doomed – I dread to think.

      • Nicky’s point about immigration of course is right. The flood of foreigners we have suffered to enter the country, the majority living on welfare, has strained the system beyond breaking point. And so the indigenous Briton suffers.

        • Ben,

          The country isn’t broke because of the welfare state but because of the greed and incompetence of the business people, notably the bankers. This evil government want to dupe us into blaming the poor, hence the limit to two children – and there are Catholic clowns who will fall for the ruse, and say “oh well, yes, we have to have cuts” (just not for the millionaires, LOL!)

          • As one who works in the financial sector (though not for one of those dratted investment banks) I have to disagree very strongly, but let’s leave it there is maybe best.

        • The indigenous Briton has done a good job of flooding out indigenous peoples on every continent in the world. The country is not broke because of people who have just arrived here, and we’ll still find the money to wage pointless and illegal wars all over the place and keep our national virility symbol stationed on the Clyde.

          The majority of immigrants are working and the health and social care system would be in a much worse state than they are now if it weren’t for immigrants.

          Why do people blame all the country’s problems on the people at the bottom of society, and those with the least influence- foreigners and the poor?

          • Alex F,

            Don’t get me wrong – I don’t blame immigrants for the state of the country, I just meant that the politicians are hypocritical in using the cuts to get us into the idea that two children are enough. They’ll welcome no end of people from abroad, but don’t have any more than two children. That’s all I meant. I don’t blame foreigners of the poor, I blame the greed of the people at the top. Osborne won’t be worrying about where his next meal is coming from, unlike some of us.

          • It’s not a question of blame – it’s rather a question of a whole system that into the middle or longer term is utterly unsustainable (made much worse by the killing of our future employers and employees in the womb).

            It doesn’t matter who it is: Conservative, Labour, Lib Dumbs. They all tinker with a system this way or that. What you do not grasp maybe Alex is that the very system itself has broken the nation’s finances utterly.

            After ten years of the SNP’s socialism, you might remember this thread.

              • She’s sharp, that Editor. Yes, M’am.

                Sigh. At least on this blog I will learn some humility …. .

                • That’s the spirit, Benedict. Although, not so sure about the humility bit – I used to think the same thing and look at me? 😯

    • Limiting child benefit and tax credit to two children sends out the signal that the government believes family size should be limited. A fairer way, but far less popular, and not one I am endorsing, would have been to reduce child benefit across the board for all children. Capping it to two implies that families are doing something wrong by not thwarting the natural end of marriage.

      In other areas, this budget wasn’t just as bad as I was bracing myself for from a Tory Chancellor with a majority government.

      • Alex,

        I don’t agree that they should be taking from the poor at all. There’s plenty other things they could do to save money. Robbing the poor to please the rich isn’t one of them.

      • I think students from poor homes and people waiting five years for their pay to reach £9 in the so called “living wage” might think it’s every bit as bad as they were expecting.

        • Nicky/Alex,

          Would you leave it there, please. We do not encourage party politics here, and since the Conservatives did give us fair warning that their Budget would focus on welfare cuts, there’s really no excuse for anyone, certainly from south of the border, Catholics included, to complain. Now, I’m not accusing you of hailing from south of the border and thus securing a majority for this Government, so don’t let’s go down THAT road so to speak! However, past experience is that when we discuss party politics and the welfare system, things turn nasty, so let it rest there, please and thank you, very much.

          Today, I received the Fatima Center e-newsletter in which they are encouraging as many as possible to attend their conference (with permit to march) in Washington DC during the Pope’s visit to the USA.

          It would be great to be able to participate – so if anyone can manage, I’d encourage them to book asap. They are keen to know numbers, like yesterday! Below is the text of the e-newsletter:

          COUNTDOWN TO D.C. CONFERENCE
          NOW IS THE TIME TO SIGN UP!

          The Pope is coming to Washington, D.C.! So is Our Lady’s Apostolate. We will be there – along with you, we hope – for this historic event from Sept. 22-24.
          September may seem a long time from now, however for planning purposes the deadline for our conference arrangements is fast approaching. We need to know how many rooms to book, how many meals to arrange, how many to expect at the talks.

          So please, let us know now if you intend to come. And PLEASE DO COME! We need a show of force in D.C. We have to demonstrate to the Pope, the Congress, the world’s media who will be gathered, that Fatima is the answer – THE ONLY ANSWER – to the violence that is engulfing the world. There will be no peace without obedience to the Queen of Peace!

          We will be taking this message to the steps of the Capitol Building. We have a permit to march. Will you hang back, or will you seize this opportunity to stand with Our Lady’s Apostolate in offering the world the only help it can receive at this time?

          It’s either world peace, or “the annihilation of nations.” We have a choice. And you have a chance to make a difference. This DC event was very important to our dear Father Gruner. Let’s stand together! We await your answer to this call to action. Please visit http://www.savewashingtondc.com to view the conference schedule. END.

      • This is a better picture to see: no they are on the railings. The Pope should be kicking the two of them up the ^&%$ for their scandalizing clothing.

        But he seems to lap it up, enjoying the media circus

  66. After being slapped down by mum (aka our dear Editor) today I was laughing to myself, thinking “I once sailed round the top of Scotland, but have never, ever set foot n Scottish soil”. I’m not sure if I have the courage to do so — are all the Scots so forthright? 😀 😀 😀

    • Ben,

      I’d wager that if you ever met Ed., she’d prove you wrong by giving you a fond Glasgow Kiss.

      (And you are now in a whole heap of trouble for having inveigled me into sending that reply. Your only hope is that by some miracle Ed. doesn’t spot it , but I think even St.Jude himself would have real difficulty arranging that one).

  67. He did. Have difficulty arranging that. St Jude, I mean.

    And in case Ben doesn’t know about the custom of the Glasgow Kiss, here’s one now, Ben…

  68. HA HA HA 😀 You two have cheered up my Friday evening, for which, thanks 😀

    (The reason why I needed to be cheered up is to be found on any thread whatever of the Catholic Herald, which I’ve just been reading (and commenting on with one of my many bewildering made-up online disguises). I’ve never come across so many benighted fools ignorant souls.

    • Ed.,

      What’s all that about???

      I was referring to 2 Corinthians 13:12 but inadvertently typed “fond Glasgow” instead of “holy” (easily done). I am both surprised and a little disappointed…..

      Ben,

      If it’s not too late, please don’t view Ed.’s inappropriate video clip…. but if you have already, let me say I honestly didn’t mean to be the cause of the broadcasting of yet another piece of gratuitous violence.

      • Spudeater,

        I recommend you look for that potato avatar asap – it’s getting to seem more and more appropriate!

        Kidding! Honest… 😀

    • Ben,

      Friday? This is Thursday, ya numpty (as we Glaswegians say!)

      Time for a break – I’m off to see if there’s anything on TV… Just don’t tell Summa!

    • I wrote a piece years ago which was published in the PEEP newsletter urging Catholics to stop buying the ‘Catholic’ newspapers – including The Catholic Herald. I think one has to realise that the sole purpose of these publications is to give employment to the people who run them, because they don’t do anything to further the Catholic Faith, in fact they tend to undermine it. I’m quite sure that the only thing keeping them afloat is all the advertising revenue, and in my experience, those who have advertised in them (including myself many years ago) have paid top dollar and achieved very poor results. I wonder if the circulation figures they give out apply to the actual number of papers sent to the churches – not those that actually get sold. The London church which I regularly attend only stocks the Herald, but it always seems to have a large pile of them left.

    • Summa,

      I’ve been reading that on CNA, but there is a photo of the Pope looking at the crucifix with disapproval (looking annoyed, in fact) and saying “this is not right” (or similar)

      The hilarious thing is, Fr Lombardi then came out in a desperate attempt to say that the Pope WASN’T annoyed, that because of the clicking cameras, he was mis-heard! Hilarious beyond words. They say nothing when he drops clangers all over the place, and when he says what he should say, they try to “correct” it. Truly, you couldn’t make this stuff up.

        • Where’s the rest of the photo? From where I’m sitting, that could be in his hand – and it could be a man in a white jacket! Call me cynical if you will. Call me a papolatrist if you will…

          😀 😀 😀 😀

    • If I were the Pope…mmmm….what I have done? I imagine St. Pius X would have walloped him around the head with it and excommunicated him with it. Therefore, that’s what I would have done!!

  69. I recorded a programme shown on Channel 5 earlier this week entitled ‘Hiroshima – The Aftermath’ about those who survived the atomic bomb, in the hope that it might feature the story of Fr.Hubert Schiffer SJ. He and seven fellow Jesuits emerged from the devastation relatively unscathed despite their residence being less than a mile from where the bomb detonated. When asked later about their survival, Fr. Schiffer’s telling reply was, “In that house the Rosary was prayed every day. In that house we were living the message of Fatima.” Well, my hopes were in vain and there was not one word about his story. Seems the programme’s producers felt much more comfortable in talking about and showing the horror wreaked by the blast than they did concerning anything that even so much as hinted at a ‘supernatural’ event. Not surprised really.

    (Ed., I’ve tried to find an avatar,honest, and am actually eager to get one – I lead an exciting life – but midway through the process, I got a WordPress message saying ‘Whoops, you seem to have encountered a problem. We’re sure it’s our fault and we’ll look into it’,etc,etc, so it appears my desire for a Désirée must remain thwarted for the time being).

    • Spudeater,

      Disappointing about the programme – surely they couldn’t have known about the priests, wouldn’t they be keen to investigate? Signed, Gloria Green (author of the lyrics in the video above….!)

      Also disappointing about the avatar but, hopefully, that will soon be fixed. It’s usually very straightforward. It makes SUCH a difference, so much easier to find posts and brightens up the place no end. Just look at Crofterlady’s (the wise old bird – yeah right!)

      Anyway, hopefully the blip with your avatar will be fixed soon. If not, let me know and I’ll see if there’s anything I can do to help.

  70. This is a comment about Joseph Shaw’s article in the Catholic Herald which is being discussed on the thread about Archbishop Tartaglia. Editor asked that we only comment on that here, so I just want to say that I am surprised at this interpretation of Pope Francis
    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/july-10th-2015-2/an-extraordinary-turn-of-events/

    I think Joe Shaw is well meaning and has done great work organising the courses for priests to learn the Latin Mass, but on this I think he’s incorrect. Pope Francis’ own words have been quoted often on this blog and show that he is antagonistic to tradition.

    • Fidelis,

      I admire your charity. I see this latest from the LMS as back to business as usual. They have always been wary of annoying the bishops, so not surprising that they don’t want to annoy the Pope and have chosen, instead, to stretch language, not to mention common sense, to breaking point.

      Pope Francis is an outright Modernist, as Bishop Fellay said without any ambiguity. Now HE’D make a great pope! There’d be no chance of HIM mocking “traditional” Catholic customs or taking a “live and let live” attitude to the Mass. “Let live” to blasphemy and heresy? No way.

      • Fidelis and Editor, I think you are being a tad unfair in dismissing Joseph Shaw’s piece so summarily. Apart from the silly heading, which might not be his, I read it as a most thoughtful assessment of the emerging situation in England and Wales which gives great reason for hope.

        I doubt that the Pope would be pleased with it. Shaw states boldly that the former might think that doing things the way the Church did for more than 10 centuries ‘ might be misguided and a fad’ – the irony in this context is obvious. In an earlier paragraph the message is clear. This Pope really couldn’t care less about matters that we (and Joseph Shaw, and the LMS) know are of prime importance, being preoccupied with ‘practical and pastoral issues’ but it doesn’t matter, as ‘something deeper than the personal interests of popes’ is favouring a return to tradition in the mainstream Church. There is much truth in the conclusion that neglect of the liturgy by Pope and old senior prelates is at present better than ‘official tinkering’ with it.

        Nor would the majority of bishops be pleased to hear themselves described, in effect, as a lot of passé old fuddy-duddies – ‘debunkers’ of tradition whose outdated scholarship is now being debunked by those ordained since the 1980s. The advances made recently in England and Wales, as listed by Shaw, are annoying the hell out of the old guard, and could not have been imagined a few years ago.

        I have said before that the tendency to dismiss as suspect any traditionalist trends in the Church outside the confines of the SSPX is not a healthy one. I was not blessed to meet the saintly Archbishop Lefebvre, but I feel sure that he would rejoice at some of these recent developments where stable parishes are being established, with churches open all day, perpetual adoration, liturgy of the hours, novenas, benediction, evening classes on the Mass and the faith, in other words the fullness of Catholic parish life restored, which of necessity cannot be realised by our wonderful SSPX priests.

        The LMS has its faults, as I know too well, but its attitude vis-a-vis the bishops, IMHO, has been respectful but prudent, and certainly not ingratiating. It has provided encouragement and support to bishops and priests who have had the faith and courage to buck the trend and, by the grace of God, 50 years of patient endeavour is now bearing fruit. Rejoice.

        • Christina,

          I was only this morning speaking to “SSPX friends” about the importance of welcoming what little advances we detect when and wherever they arise, but that is not what is at issue here.

          Whatever Joseph Shaw’s intentions, the fact is, one gentleman held up the front page of the hard copy of the Catholic Herald in our tearoom this morning and shook his head in dismay at the ridiculous headline “Why traditionalists should thank God for Pope Francis…. ” How many ignorant laity will see that – what you describe as a “silly headline” (what I term a most dangerous headline) staring up at them at the back of their churches this week? The damage is incalculable, affirming the papolatrists and thrilling, to bits, the liberals who know fine well that no “traditionalist” worthy of the name could possibly thank God for this scandalous pontiff. Remember, many people, like the gentleman just mentioned, do not have access to the internet. He read the report of the Pope accepting the hammer and sickle crucifix, on teletext then saw the Catholic Herald headline this morning. How confusing is that? The LMS telling the Catholic population that we should thank God for Pope Francis? No wonder he shook his head. In near despair.

          Yes, the editor no doubt chose the headline (it’s about the only fun editors get, believe me) but the article facilitated the headline and it is a LIE to say that “traditionalists should thank God for Pope Francis” – except in the sense that he is so very bad that his very Modernism may prove to be the final nail in the understanding of the more informed among the so called “conservatives” and move them forward. This, remember, is a pope who has breathed heresy at every opportunity. We thank God for that? Really?

          You see, this is the LMS/Una Voce lie writ large. The belief that, as long as we have plenty of TLMs all will be well. That’s the script and it’s plain wrong.

          The Faith is about much more that “just” the Mass and that has always been the problem with the LMS and Una Voce. They don’t think so. Those of us who attend the SSPX do so because we realise that the Faith is an entire package – which, Holy Mother Church insists, can only be properly understood if taught systematically, as a whole.

          Pope Francis has proven time and time again that he is a terrible pope. Were he to announce tomorrow that he wanted a TLM in every parish (as if) it would not change the fact that he, like the majority, it seems, of the bishops, does not hold to the divine and Catholic faith in its entirety. That he occasionally appoints an “orthodox”* bishop is good in so far as it goes, but is it any more than we have a right to expect from a Pope?

          And that’s why, not only can “traditionalists” not thank God for him, but it’s why we must pray for his true conversion as a matter of urgency. And, importantly, we must continue to educate fellow Catholics about the true nature of papal authority, it’s extent and limitations, and why we don’t jump for joy when a self-evidently bad pope takes a “live and let live” attitude to the ancient Mass. Isn’t that what kind and tolerant Protestants have done for years?

          * precisely how “orthodox” these new bishops really are, is never really addressed. They wouldn’t have been appointed if they did not adhere to Vatican II and the novus ordo, not to mention the whole ecumenical industry, so I’m afraid I never get too excited about these allegedly “traditional leaning” bishops – it usually means that they permit more traditional Masses than the rest of the hierarchy, or even an occasional “traditional parish” – all of which is great, but it’s still not “the whole package”. If any of these bishops or “traditional parishes” is exempt from promoting ecumenical events, for example, I’ll be very happy indeed to stand corrected. Otherwise, I think we must be on our guard against forgetting that we are praying and working towards the restoration of the Catholic Faith – all of it.

          • Ed, well I usually read beyond a headline, especially one in the so-called Catholic press, and it is a pity that this one has had such an effect in the tearoom as to blind folk and prevent them from learning that there are good things happening, by the grace of God and in spite of Pope Francis. Who knows but that in some tearoom following a clown mass the chat might be along the lines of ‘Traditionalists must be OK after all’. It’d be a start!

            It’s unfair and wrong to say that the FIUV is just about the Mass and not the entire faith. There may be individual members who are as ignorant as that, but I know some who attend SSPX Masses who are equally ignorant. The organisation was founded to preserve the traditional Mass while it was being tinkered with some years before the ghastly Bugnini mass we know was promulgated. At the time nothing was more important than preserving the Mass, but, ‘lex orandi’ and all that, by and large the faith was kept along with it and the activities of constituent bodies of the FIUV have gone much further than ‘arranging Masses’ in recent years.

            We have spoken before about ecumenical events being promoted at Masses other than those of the SSPX. If you can send me evidence of any such thing from a ‘traditional parish’, I’ll eat my hat and send a cheque to CT!

            • Christina,

              I am always puzzled, and I’m sure I’ve said so before in these discussions, when you create an SSPX Vs EOTG (Every Other Traditional Group) divide. I’ve never EVER said that I think the SSPX is perfect or even remotely in danger of being so. Nor do I think the other groups are all bad.

              I also took care to point out that if I’m wrong about “traditional parishes” promoting ecumenism, let me know and I’ll accept that, but all I have to go on is the fact that the parishes up here in Scotland where TLMs are “allowed” and they distribute the same bulletins as they distribute at the NO Masses, make the same announcements about various events, and they sell the “Catholic” papers etc. Those Una Voce priests are studiously avoiding all conflict. They’d welcome the Dalai Lama with open arms if the bishops invited him. I know of young families who attend the SSPX in Glasgow in preference to these parishes because that’s where they can be sure of NOT being faced with such modernism. In practical terms, it would be easier to attend the one parish where a TLM is “allowed” on Sundays, but the downside, in spiritual terms, is too great, says one young mother who keeps reminding herself, she tells me, that she is responsible for doing her utmost to save her children’s souls.

              Now, on the other side, as I say, I’ve never claimed that everything is rosy in the SSPX garden – far from it – but I refuse, absolutely, to agree that Joseph Shaw did the right thing in publishing that article. He even uses the give-away terms: he speaks of a “bi-ritual” parish which he clearly thinks is a good thing because “both forms of the Roman Rite, the Ordinary and the Extraordinary will be celebrated side by side…”

              Er? “Both forms of the Roman Rite”? Even the notorious Mgr Loftus delightedly quoted Fr Gelineau’s delighted observation on the creation of the novus ordo that “the Roman rite has been destroyed.” And he was delighted so to do 😀

              So, the leader of the LMS expresses pleasure that the ancient Mass is no better, no worse, that the Bugnini concoction and that God can happily live with both being offered to him under the same roof? This is an advance? Listen, Christina, my beloved friend, if they instructed every baker in Glasgow never to sell me another cream cake for as long as I live, I STILL wouldn’t use the derogatory term “Extraordinary Form” to describe the ancient Mass and to accept that the novus ordo is on an equal footing with it. “Bi-ritual”? “By George”, as you lot say south of the border – no way!

              Joseph Shaw is correct to highlight the “generational shift” – it’s that – not Pope Francis – which, in human terms is possibly helping bring about the change in attitudes towards the old rite Mass. So a headline noting that DESPITE Pope Francis’ best efforts, the ancient Mass is here to stay and spreading would have been an improvement. That, and a refusal to use the language of the Modernists would have helped make his article more palatable to my unworthy self. Not that I was uppermost in his mind as he penned his piece, but indulge my pride, just this once !

              As you say, Christina, it’s always best to read beyond the headline but, unfortunately, the fact is that more people will stand and peruse the headlines before moving on, than will buy the paper. That’s the reality. Just ask the accountants at the Catholic Herald!

              PS make that cheque payable to Editor’s New Hairdo, Outfit and Cream Cake Fund… 😀

              • Get a sample of ecumenical stuff from one of the ICKSP parishes in England and the cheque will arrive pronto🍰👒👵.

                • Right. So, here’s the eight-step plan…

                  1) find a reader south of the border who will plant some ecumenical stuff in an ICKSP parish in England

                  2) fill up with petrol (the car, I mean…!)

                  3) drive to said ICKSP parish in England, photograph said ecumenical stuff

                  4) drive back here, announce on blog + photo evidence of said ecumenical stuff

                  5) await arrival of cheque

                  6) bank cheque

                  7) say “Long live Joseph Shaw!” x 10 times

                  8) sign up at Scottish Slimmers, since I really shouldn’t be eating so many cream cakes! 😀

                  • Regarding b-ritual parishes. St. Catherine Laboure, Leyland is absolutely orthodox. St. Chads, Manchester also, but they did modify their presentation of the NOM, or so I found. When they were at The Holy Name, they were ‘free spirits’, but to formally establish their Oratory, the previous bishop arm-twisted them. They were getting 100 at their Holy Name TLM, with a goodly number of MU students, they have half such at St. Chads. Equally, their ‘hybrid’ NOM, early mornings and evenings, at Holy Name, was attracting 50 a time. Interestingly, or disturbingly, the MU chaplain was of a Traditional leaning, he has gone. The Holy Name is back with a Jesuit in charge, also running the chaplaincy and the rudimentary table altar has re-appeared. ICKSP, New Brighton, have an NOM “parish Mass”, but ecumenism no! Preston, as far as I am aware is fully TLM. I recall a Catholic church in the East of Salford recently displaying the ALPHA nonsense, but cannot remember exactly where. One area of astonishment: Nelson & Colne, parish church burnt down, a previous bishop decided to have a permanent sharing with a new Methodist church/facility in the town centre.

                    [It has been reported that six seminarians at Maynooth have been told to reassess their situations, as it is felt they expressed Traditonal tendencies and, wait for it, being divisive.]

  71. Here is a real corker – Cardinal Vincent Nichols calling in the Protestants* to evangelise Catholic parishes! Click here

    Gimme, I mean PLEASE gimme, strength !

    * I should have made clear that he is calling in the official Protestants to evangelise the “Protestantised Catholics” across his archdiocese.

    Gimme, I mean PLEASE DO gimme, strength !

    But note the Cardinal’s words of caution against doing any actual missionary work:

    Parishes are also to be encouraged to establish their own evangelism teams, although Cardinal Nichols on Tuesday stressed that these teams should avoid proselytising.
    “Door-stepping, cold calling, things that minimalise the quality of human relationship is not what we do,” he emphasised.

    Did I just say “gimme strength”? A couple of times? Let me say it again – with bells on: gimme, ding dong strength!

    • Quite what ++Nichols hopes to achieve is beyond me. The “Church of England” has been using the Alpha course for nearly 40 years. Their current state of terminal decline -and consequent desperation to embrace any and every novelty – would suggest it’s pretty much totally useless.

      All it really tells us is that the hierarchy are still stubbornly determined to try anything – except authentic Catholicism.

    • Although I never read it myself, I heard from someone years ago that in one of Nicky Gumbel’s books he gloats about the amount of people ‘converting’ (i.e. apostatising) from the Catholic Faith to his brand of Protestantism in Latin America.
      What can you expect from Cardinal Nichols – the man who has fiercely protected a clique of openly dissenting, self-professed practising homosexuals and their sacrilegious Masses from the day he returned to Westminster. Getting Nicky Gumbel in is an improvement on that . . . . it’s how bad things are in Westminster, folks . . .

    • Sixupman,

      A “lightweight” is putting it mildly. Anyone who detects an ounce of divine and Catholic faith in that man’s utterances, please write the evidence on the back of a second class postage stamp and send it to us on a postcard… er… I think !

      But listen, seriously, is not this the logical outcome of the creation of a new Mass with the help of Protestant advisers for the stated purpose of removing all Catholic prayers that may offend them? Why NOT, then, ask them to re-educate us in the Christian faith? That’s really what is happening here.

      Would the last person to leave the Archdiocese of Westminster, please shout “hurrah!” Look for the nearest SSPX chapel and return to the Faith of our Fathers.

      Me, I’m heading for the pubs and clubs, so, ‘nite, folks!

  72. There you are – an old passé fuddy-duddy if ever there was one, gives one last desperate strangled cry😷.

  73. Erm, that was +++Nichols I meant. Didn’t a lot of parishes do the alpha course some years ago?

  74. Been busy for a few days so not involved in the jousting on here.
    One of the saddest items I read about his past week, was His Holiness accepting a sacrilegious “crucifix” from the Communist Bolivian President.
    As is often the case it prompted me to pen the following doggerel.

    HAMMERED

    They profane our true Redeemer
    Who for sins died upon the cross,
    A revered icon down the ages
    For half the world a true ethos;
    This green Pope has now accepted
    An atheistic crucifix,
    Will the Eucharist next be carried
    In a Masonic symbold pix.

    With his global warming missive
    To send us back to a dark age,
    We must stop exhaling “carbon”
    The goddess Gaia we must assuage;
    His next letter will inform us
    Of the achievements of Saint Marx,
    On a par with fraudster scientists,
    A leader of heresiarchs.

    Perhaps his next Encyclical
    Will be issued from the Kremlin,
    The virtues of the Soviets
    Vati Pravdas new dissemblin’
    Catholic proletariats
    Would make the Church look farcical,
    My breath wont be bated for the
    Hammer and En-sickle-ecal.

    • Waterside
      I read yesterday Pope Francis left the hammer and sickle crucifix behind when he left . . .

      • Yes at last a bit of common sense – if true.

        Any link to this please?

        Thank you.

        Ed: I don’t know WHAT you are doing, but your posts are going into moderation – perhaps connected with your log in as “Patrick”. The system is treating you as a new blogger, and putting you into moderation.

        • Gabriel Syme,

          That is absolutely shocking. Times like this, I wonder where our papolatrists are hiding. You know, the ones who never miss an opportunity to defend sexually deviant clergy and only mention sin when the conversation turns to the duty of Catholics not to damage the Faith by attending a Protestant-inspired Mass – that sort. Where are THEY when reports like your link, with a photo of the Pope wearing a hammer and sickle round his neck are offered for discussion?

          Where? Why don’t they come out of the woodwork and defend the Faith for a change, instead of only popping by to support priests and popes who are, to put it mildly, on public record as “doing the wrong thing”?

  75. A reader emailed the following Daily Mail article. This nonsense, together with Pope Francis’ ascertain that the “green” issue is the most urgent matter of our times, really is incredible.

    • Churchgoers to be encouraged to take part in fasts against climate change
    • General Synod, the CofE’s parliament, adopts green activism programme
    • It backed a motion which said creation is holy and the Church is ‘called to protect the earth now and for the future’

    Read the article here and note: “eco-theology” should already be on the training programme, as it amounts to nothing more than “read Genesis, remember that God created the world and use the litter bins!”

    Gimme strength!

    • ”the [CofE] Synod drew back from instructing all churchgoers that skipping a sandwich to save the planet on the first day of every month is a duty”

      Well, they wouldn’t want to be two sandwiches short of a picnic 😀

      They just can’t let a bandwagon go past without shouting ‘All aboard!’. Though, in this case, we’re not in much of a position to criticize them after the publication of the Pope’s Red Manifesto.

    • I suppose the reason God didn’t provide the litter bins when he created the world was because there was no plastic available at the time and the wheel still hadn’t been invented.

  76. Please sign this petition after watching the very short video clip (with conversation captioned as well as oral) of the Planned Parenthood doctor talking glibly about selling the body parts of aborted (murdered) babies. A criminal offence in the USA, with possible prison term of up to ten years. Will be interesting to see if she’s charged.

  77. Madame Editor,

    I hope no rain falls on you today, as July 15th is St. Swithin’s Day and as the saying goes:St Swithin’s day if thou dost rain, For forty days it will remain

    St Swithin’s day if thou be fair, For forty days ’twill rain nae mare

    The forecast where I am is for no rain and wall-to-wall sunshine – but the sky above my toadstool is well clouded right now.

    Hey ho.

    Ps: This is the correct place for light-hearted interventions, isn’t it?

    • Leprechaun,

      If this is true, I’m stuffed, as it’s rained here pretty much all day!

      Anyway, a happy and blessed Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel to one and all tomorrow (July 16th). Don’t forget, if you are enrolled in the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel you can get a plenary indulgence tomorrow, under the usual conditions

    • Leprechaun,

      Yes, we can always use some light-hearted intervention, be assured!

      We’ve had a beautifully sunny day up here, although some of us spent a few hours of it at a politics meeting – see the Named Person thread for more on that later, when I get time to post a short report.

      Still, whatever the weather is like in your neck of the woods, we’ve had the sunshine today – although tomorrow, as they say, is another day!

    • WF,

      What sad news to received on this beautiful Feast of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. I think it’s obvious enough why he’s gone, and I say that not because I’ve been a fan of Miss Marple for a long time. No detective skills needed to put together the clues from the photos/Facebook interaction – unless I’m missing something very obscure.

      Let’s commend him to the motherly protection of Our Lady of Mount Carmel.

  78. All very sad about Michael Voris. What was very interesting, too, about that blog article, Crofterlady, is the comments about the FSSP underneath. Very strong views expressed placing them right in the middle of novus-ordo land. Christina, be prepared to NOT get mad, get even!

    Sixupman emailed this blog article about Papa Francis – very interesting indeed.

  79. What the history of the Arian crisis proves is that, during a time of general apostasy, Catholics who remain true to their traditional faith may have to worship outside the official churches, the churches of priests in communion with the lawfully appointed diocesan bishop who is in communion with the lawfully elected Roman Pontiff.

    Such Catholics may have to look for truly Catholic teaching, leadership and inspiration—not to their diocesan bishop, not to the bishops of their country as a body, not even to the pope, but to one heroic bishop, a confessor repudiated by the other bishops and even by the Roman Pontiff, and possibly excommunicated.

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/similar-crises-modernism-and-arianism-9290

    I just wanted to post a snippet of this great article, written years before by Michael Davies and part of SSPX news.

    It is pieces like this that provide great strength and support in these times when the faithful are so embattled by modernism and constantly pressurised to be ‘in communion’ with the Church.

  80. Madame Editor

    In keeping with my role as your obedient servant here at Toadstool Towers may I reiterate that italic text is switched on by typing a left hand hairpin bracket “”. All ensuing text will be in italics. To switch the effect off, repeat the same three character instruction but type a backslash before the letter “I” and the text will return to its normal upright stance.

    Try …Italicised…. But without any of the dots. Result. Italicised .

    It is ever so easy.

    Bold type is turned on and off but by use of the letter “b” for “bold” instead of “I” for italic. bold.

    As for turning on Leprechaun, all that is required is for Mrs. Leprechaun to give him one of her “Come hither” looks and all resistance is futile.

    • Thank you for trying but I haven’t a clue what you mean! Can you give a website which could be clearer?

  81. Leprechaun,

    I’m afraid I don’t understand what you mean at all (although I understand only too well your rather risqué conclusion. Who needs Channel 4 when we’ve got this blog?)

    Anyway, will test and see if I’m interpreting you correcting. You refer to “hairpin bracket” and then post two quotes marks, so I presume those are “hairpin brackets” Then I see a full stop. Since you refer to the letter I in the “how to turn off” instruction, I presume I’m supposed to type the letter “I” somewhere around the “”.

    Let’s try it. I’m going to try to italicise the “naughty” in the following sentence.

    You are very “”.naughty \””. to post a risqué comment when you know I ruthlessly delete such breaches of the in-house rules, in an attempt to keep the standard of Catholicity on this blog very high, especially when it comes to purity, but I forgive you, Leprechaun, since you’re doing me a favour…

    Let’s see if the italics are there. I hae ma doobts…

    A minute later, after checking…

    Didn’t work. Would you mind spelling it out in simple language. For example, when I’m explaining about the smiley faces, I do so thus:

    Type a colon :

    Now type the word grin

    Now type another colon :

    So you will have colongrincolon – : grin :

    Except you won’t leave any spaces. When you then submit your post, it will look like this 😀

    Leppy, could you do something like that for us, step by step, with exactly what we are to type? Think of it as page 1 of Italics For Dummies / Bold Type for Dummies…

    Please and thank you 😀

  82. Right, let’s see if I can if a go at explaining this.

    If you want to type something in italics, you put the first of these brackets before the text and the latter at the end, NOT both together at beginning and end

    Same process for bold, but using the letter b instead of i. And remember, lower case only.

  83. Athanasius,

    You still don’t say where the letter “i” should go but I’m going to guess it’s as just typed. So, here’s my test. I will type “numpties” in italics (I hope) in the sentence below…

    Both Leppy and Athanasius are “i”numpties”i” but nice numpties!

    A minute later – after checking…

    It still didn’t work.

    Here’s how I interpreted your meaning:

    1) type ”
    2) type i
    3) type ”
    4) type numpty or whatever word you wish to put in italics
    5) type ”
    6) type i
    7) type ”

    So, in the end it looks like “i”word to be italicised”i” to close italics.

    Obviously that’s wrong but would YOU give us a step by step (Italics for Dummies, page 1) – otherwise we’ll never get the hang of this…

  84. Ok, that clearly didn’t work. The brackets didn’t show up in the post!

    The brackets I’m referring to are those little left/right arrow ones to the left of the question mark on your keyboard. So to type italics, press left arrow then small i then right arrow. this has the effect of enclosing the i in brackets. Then, when you’ve finished your italics, press left arrow followed by forward slash (same key as question mark) then i then right bracket. Same process for bold, only use b instead of i.

    Does this make any more sense?

    • Right. Here goeth again… (VERY should be in italics below…)

      Thank you Athanasius – I am very grateful for your help.

      A minute later, after checking…

      BINGO! It worked!

      Thank you Athanasius – I really am very grateful for your help 😀

      Got it!

  85. Hey hey! Success! Maybe I should have been a teacher, what? Ok, I won’t get too excited!

  86. Now I’m going to test the bold

    A minute later, on checking…

    BINGO AGAIN! It worked!

    Yes, Athanasius, you should have been a teacher. Except you’d have had to be excused from PHSE on the days when they were discouraging smoking! 😀

    Thank you for this. I was only able to use the italics and bold by going back into my comments – now I have caught up with the rest of you! Thank you very much indeed. I mean very much indeed!

  87. Editor,

    Glad to have been able to help.

    Leprechaun,

    Don’t worry, I stole your job but you may continue to reside in Toadstool Towers!

  88. Madame Editor,

    I know my place, even more so now.

    CrofterLady,

    I am sorry that my carefully constructed guide did not print in keeping with what I typed – WordPress or some leprechaun-unfriendly gremlin suppressed the very characters to which I sought to draw your attention. However, old age and cunning will always out-do youth and enthusiasm so please visit this link and make a print out:

    I am grateful to Athanasius for bringing you so boldly to enlightenment.

    Heigh-so. Some you win first time, others you lose temporarily.

    • WF,

      You beat me to it – I came in to post that same link, having received it in one of Wendy Walker’s email alerts.

      The remarks about transgenderism (the Church having “no official position” on it etc.) are absolutely diabolical.

      I’m very glad somebody is monitoring this scandal and rely on you to keep us informed. This scandal – and any further developments of it – will surely feature in our October newsletter. Not that that will bother Cardinal Vincent one iota, but it just might be another wake up call for the remaining useful idiots, both clerical and lay. One lives in hope, so one does…

  89. Sr. Lucia’s vision of the Third Secret of Fatima. A quote I haven’t heard before but wanted to share.

  90. Thurifer

    I listened to this video but have to say that I am always skeptical when people quote Sister Lucy from “unpublished writings” that have no date or reference. I sometimes feel that there is too much emphasis placed on temporal chastisements and not enough on the spiritual.

    I still insist, as I always have, that the primary chastisement of the Third Secret of Fatima is a supernatural one, i.e., the great apostasy that we have been witnessing since Vatican II, even at the highest levels in the Church.

    This is not to say that a world conflagration of some kind will not occur, the possibility being ever present according to the text of the Second part of the Fatima Secret. But generally speaking, I think it is misleading for the promoters of the Message of Fatima to emphasise too much this possibility at the expense of the main chastisement, which concerns the eternal loss of souls on an unprecedented scale, including a great many prelates and clerics. Hence the references made by Sister Lucy to Apocalypse, Chapters 8-13, wherein we read about a third part of the stars being dragged down to earth by the tail of the dragon. These stars are commonly interpreted as referring to consecrated souls, particularly prelates of the Church.

    Besides that, I find it hard to comprehend why God would once again make use of a global flood in the chastisement of men. Scripture tells us that following the first flood, God made a covenant with man that He would never again destroy the world with water, and He placed the rainbow in the sky as testimony to his promise.

    At the end of time God will purge the heavens and the earth with fire and will renew them in a supernatural way, but that’s exclusively for the end of the world. Until then I think that if Fatima is to be shown to follow its course in the way Our Lady predicted, then any kind of temporal chastisement in addition to the greater spiritual one is likely to be a third world war begun by Russia. If this is in fact how things develop, which seems likely right now, then the Pope and the bishops will still have a chance to prevent the global catastrophe by making the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary before the first shot is fired. Perhaps this is what Our Lady had in mind when she told Sister Lucy that “the Pope will do it, but it will be late”.

  91. Thurifer,

    I’m inclined to largely agree with Athanasius about being wary of claims of “unpublished writings” (I feel exactly the same about quotes attributed to Padre Pio) , although I do have a memory at the back of my mind of Father Gruner speaking recently about an unpublished writing of Sr Lucia which was discovered after her death quite by accident, innocently. That’s, I’m afraid, all I can remember. The only other thing that fits “recent” (in the sense that it has been published a lot recently) is the information provided by a Cardinal who quotes Sr Lucia saying that the decisive battle with Satan would be over marriage – something we are witnessing right now – click here to read the information on the Fatima website. I’m wondering if, in fact, it is this revelation by the Cardinal which constitutes the hitherto “unpublished writing” of Sr Lucia – not sure.

    Anyway, thank you for that interesting video clip from John Salza’s talk. I heard him speak once on the subject of Freemasonry, a subject about which he’s very knowledgeable – hardly surprising since he used to be one himself!

  92. Madame Editor,

    May I, through your good offices, ask if amongst our U.K. based bloggers and lurkers, there is anyone who is competent in the use of the Drupal Content Management System for the building of web sites?

    This is a serious enquiry, the reason for which will be come clear in a relatively short time, so if there is anyone out there, willing to be a cyber martyr on a purely voluntary basis, would they please let Madame Editor know by e-mail so that I may be informed.

    Thank you.

    • Pat,

      Shocking. And he said this – a dead giveaway; not much doubt about HIS “orientation”…

      …of the passage of gay “marriage”: “I think it’s a positive development that states are free to open up civil marriage for gays if they want.”

  93. A Plenary Indulgence can be granted this weekend from noon Aug1st to midnight Aug2nd for oneself or a departed soul. It is called the Portiuncula Indulgence granted to St Francis of Assisi.
    The conditions for the indulgence are
    Sacramental confession(eight days before or after)
    Participation in the Mass and Eucharist
    Recitation of the Apostles Creed, Our Father and a prayer for the pope’s intention.

    More info’ can be found at. http:// dcsfo.org/portiuncula_indulgence_pamphlet.pdf

    • John

      Thanks for that – I will be praying for the plenary indulgence. I visited the pdf you posted and it can be gained more than once if offered for holy souls in Purgatory.

      • Thank’s Leprechaun I wondered why I could not click on the link.
        My internet “L” plates will have to on a few more weeks.

    • John,

      I’ve had a read of that pdf and will be doing that Indulgence this weekend. I wanted to say thank you personally – it was good of you to post it.

  94. Gabriel Syme mentioned in an email that there were reports that the Pope has invited Oprah Winfrey to the Vatican but he’d not had time to check whether it was true or a hoax report. I’ve checked and it seems to be all over the place, including here

    As one commentator remarked, it’s kinda sad, really that the Pope feels the need to do this to improve the Church’s image, instead of getting down on his knees to seek help from the One whom he represents.

    Got it, my friend, in one.

  95. Islam, a religion of peace………..my ar****.

    Pardon the expletive, justified, in my opinion.

    ISIS executes 19 female prisoners for refusing to practice ‘sexual jihad’ – Kurdish official
    Cormac Fitzgerald

    06/08/2015 | 14:26

    ISIS has executed 19 women for refusing to practice ‘sexual jihad’, a Kurdish official has claimed.

    He told an Iraqi news website that women were being held in the terror group’s stronghold of Mosul in Iraq.
    The official also said there have been recent splits in the ranks of ISIS because of arguments over money and the way captured women are distributed.
    On top of this, a UN envoy investigating sexual violent in the conflict has confirmed that an ISIS pamphlet that gives prices for the purchase of women is real.
    Zainab Bangura told Bloomberg that “the girls get peddled like barrels of petrol”.
    “One girl can be sold and bought by five or six different men. Sometimes these fighters sell the girls back to their families for thousands of dollars of ransom.”
    Read more: Isis ‘price list’ for child slaves confirmed as genuine by UN official Zainab Bangura
    Abduction
    ISIS abducted hundreds of Yazidi women last year when they stormed northern Iraq.
    The Yazidis are a Kurdish religious group that ISIS considers heretics.
    Disturbing reports of women and young girls being sold into sexual slavery, with the youngest fetching the highest price, have been confirmed in a number of reports.
    Ms Bangura states that prices for boys and girls aged one to nine are about $165.
    Adolescent girls cost about $124 and it’s less for women over 20.
    “They have a machinery, they have a program,” she told Bloomberg.
    “They have a manual on how you treat these women.”
    Escape
    Last month, three Yazidi women who escaped ISIS spoke of the horror they experienced at the hands of the terrorist group.
    One woman, Bushra (21), said she was raped repeatedly by the man who bought her.
    “He told me he was going to rape me that same day, however ill I made myself. He took me home, tied up my hands and feet, and raped me,” she said in a video.
    “He raped me about five times a day. My sister was barely 14 when they raped her.
    “‘I could hear her screaming but I couldn’t do anything as I was tied up,” she said.
    Amnesty International previously said that ISIS have destroyed hundreds of Yazidi women’s lives
    Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International’s Senior Crisis Response Advisor, spoke to 40 Yazidi women who had managed to escape last year, and said that what ISIS had done to them amounted to war crimes.
    “Hundreds of Yezidi women and girls have had their lives shattered by the horrors of sexual violence and sexual slavery in IS captivity,” she said.

  96. The Jesuits bring the CofE Ecology Party to The Holy Name, Manchester on “Sunday Worship” BBC Radio 4 this a.m. – appalling!

    When the BBC were based on Oxford Road, Manchester, instead taking a few steps up the road where orthodox Catholicism was practiced, they preferred to go elsewhere for Catholicism.

    When Frs. Matus and Hilton were at The Holy Name. they, inter alia, exposed the student body to the full panoply of orthodox Catholicism, including the TLM [well attended by them]. They are now exposed to a much narrower field.

    Fr. Matus rejected all approaches to have concerts in the church. Immediate upon taking-over, the Jesuit priest organised concerts.

    The Catholic religious adviser to Granada TV, another Jesuit, arranged for a series of travesties, at the now ICKSP church. St. Walburge’s, Preston – including apparent con-celebrations with Protestant clergy and a mixed young congregation and communicants It was eventually stoppped.

    • There was certainly at least one concert held at Holy Name before the Jesuits returned – I know, because I was there. It was given by a schoolgirls’ choir, and their behaviour was not very edifying in sacred surroundings, especially the glugging of Pepsi, etc., in the pews in the intervals, and I left before the end. Father Matus, I believe, went out for the evening, saying he didn’t like girls’ choirs, but at least the Blessed Sacrament was deposed.

      • Christina,

        I don’t know Fr Matus personally, but having readers all over the UK, including Manchester, who are well informed (even read this blog, would you believe!) means that I am kept up to date, not necessarily about concerts and choirs* but about the fact that Fr Matus is not opposed to Communion in the hand – I believe he used to give Communion in the hand to those who asked for it at Holy Name, and someone who attends the SSPX and who sometimes goes to St. Chad’s says that Communion in the hand is given there – not that that can be much of a surprise to anyone.

        Even priests who are offering the TLM up here in Glasgow, still give Communion in the hand because that’s the way the archbishop wants it. It’s one reason why there are “traditional” Catholics who refuse to attend their Masses. Some can’t see how a priest can celebrate the new Mass and then offer the old Mass, and take Hosts from the Tabernacle which were consecrated at the novus ordo and perhaps even handled by a lay person, before being returned to the ciborium. That would not be their idea of a totally orthodox priest. I’m not saying I agree – I am, as they say in all the least posh circles… “just sayin'”

        * a reader in England actually emailed me earlier today to say he had mysteriously received an advertisement for a concert to be held in St Mungo’s, Parson Street, Glasgow and having read on the blog (‘Be done with Vatican II’ thread) about the attack on the TLM in the newsletter of that parish, he was intrigued. He’s never received anything from that particular source before.

    • That’s good news, Nicky.

      The more independence parties there are the more the votes get split and so the less the chance of the SNP retaining their stranglehold on absolute power.

  97. I was speaking to a very devout Catholic and she said that we do not have an obligation, per se, to attend Mass (N.O.) on a Sunday but we do have an obligation to keep Sunday holy. Therefore, surely if our local Mass is “a banal and on the spot fabrication” (Cardinal Ratzinger) all we need to do is to observe, in some way, the Lord’s day?

    • Such was stated in the SSPX DICI web Newsletter.

      I whole heartedly agree with that comment. However, I also believe, if one does not have a TLM Diocesan/SSPX/other Traditional Order available, one should attend an orthodox NOM. Also, what if a person is to some extent incapacitated.

      I do not believe the two positions to be contradictory.

        • I am as well aware of the deficiencies in the NOM and of the manner of its coming into being as your goodself. But that does not deal with the everyday problem of obligatory Mass attendance where TLMs are not readily available.

          My connection wit SSPX goes back to when they were based at Cowling and prior to them acquiring the Preston chapel and Masses were held in a community centre in that city. I have travelled return journeys well in excess of 100 miles to hear SSPX Masses and gave lifts to other people at the time. Therefore, your superior attitude to me does not wash. Omnipotence is an ill-suited garb relative to these complex matters.

          • There’s nothing “superior” in my comment which amounts to nothing more than a link to a very clear explanation of why we are NOT obliged to attend a novus ordo Mass even if there is no TLM available. I think the concluding paragraph of the article I linked, explains this perfectly:

            E. Considering what has been said, are we obliged in conscience to attend the Novus Ordo Missae?

            If the Novus Ordo Missae is not truly Catholic, then it cannot oblige for one’s Sunday obligation. Many Catholics who do assist at it are unaware of its all pervasive degree of serious innovation and are exempt from guilt. However, any Catholic who is aware of its harm, does not have the right to participate. He could only then assist at it by a mere physical presence without positively taking part in it, and then and for major family reasons (weddings, funerals, etc).

            In fact, the “superior” attitude is really displayed by those (and I include myself in this, from the days before I finally stopped attending the NOM) who rather arrogantly assume that they will not be affected by “its all pervasive degree of serious innovation” – that’s a “superior” attitude … with a pipe band playing in the background.

    • The Catechism of The Catholic Church might help those souls you seek to misguide: “2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: ‘On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass.’117 ‘The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day’ “118

      • Semper Fidelis,

        There are some very powerful facts and quotes here that should make you think again… Read right to the end and then share your thoughts with us again on this subject…

  98. I attended an ‘indult’ Mass today, which is unusual for me because I usually attend an SSPX Mass on a Sunday.

    It is a stunning church. I am fond of the clergy. I never went to the indult Mass there until today, but the church itself is a refuge for me and I occasionally visit to pray. However, today something just didn’t feel right. I wasn’t at peace.

    The feast of the Assumption had been transferred to today, which surprised me, because I thought this was solely a Novus Ordo thing. There was some communion in the hand. I wasn’t looking out for this, I just accidentally noticed it. I am not judging the poor soul, not at all, and I am not judging the priest either, because he probably feels compelled to do it because in this diocese there is an indult permitting the faithful to receive on the hand (although I was sure this didn’t extent to the 1962 Rite). It was just weird and unexpected. A lot of women weren’t veiled. Again, I am not judging them, and I was NOT scandalised by this. It is probably just through weak example and years of attending the Novus Ordo. It’s just I was surprised, that’s all. In the society all women insist on veiling, so I assumed it was a sine qua non, and good on them, it makes a women very mysterious (not that I spend my time at Mass looking at the ladies).

    I think what I am saying is that this indult Mass appeared to me to have a lot of confussed people in and it made me feel confused as well. I am used to attending the SSPX. The people here are very sure of themselves, in a good way. I get the sense it is the real deal. I am not saying we SSPXers are superior, its just SSPX parish life and individual spiritual lives seem to be integrated into a coherent whole.

    I do not look down on those people at the indult Mass. Of course not. I just feel a lot more at home at the SSPX. Is this bad? What is this feeling? Does anyone here empathise with it?

    Another thing, I was very insecire and self-conscious. I was constantly ruminating that the SSPX are demonised and ostracised in the mainstream Church, including among indult Mass goers. I just don’t my fellow Catholic anymore, I was wounded by one horribly. It is proud of me to have thought this, but I kept on having these intrusive thoughts, e.g. what if these people knew I am an SSPXer, do they think my soul is in jeapardy, they surely think I am a schismatic etc.? Because I have suffered this before. I just didn’t feel welcome there, there was a disturbance in my soul.

    • Muffin Man,

      Your post has confirmed what I have felt for a fairly long time now, which is that it’s only in an SSPX chapel that we can be sure of getting “the whole (traditional) package.”

      As for the “indult” priest giving Communion in the hand – absolutely no excuse. He should have announced at the start that in this Mass Communion must be taken on the tongue, and (assuming no disability) kneeling. Women wearing something on their heads is a tradition and good to keep although not imperative, but again, this custom can easily be introduced by the priest giving an advance reminder. Needn’t be a veil, can be a scarf or hat. Forgetting should never be used as an excuse not to attend Mass but regular reminders will help re-instate the custom.

      Ironically, I thought as I read your comment, only this morning in our SSPX chapel in Glasgow, the priest exhorted us to be charitable in our dealings with “mainstream” Catholics. He pointed out that most if not all of us (himself included) had family members and friends who were still attending the novus ordo and it would do no good at all to alienate them by being impatient or angry with them. I couldn’t help thinking that half the time it’s the “mainstreamers” who get impatient and angry with us, for daring to say a word about their new Mass, new this, new that, but I banished the thought as yet more evidence of my lack of charity!

      Knowing that many good “mainstream” Catholics do attend these diocesan-permitted traditional Masses, I still think that any Catholic seeking refuge from the crisis in the Church in terms of liturgy etc. will only find their true home in an SSPX chapel. Not that everything’s perfect there – we know that is not the case. But it’s a heck of a lot more perfect than what you describe, and what is, sadly, not untypical of the “indult” Masses scene.

      In any event, my own opinion is that, since there wouldn’t be any “indult” or Summorum Pontificum Masses but FOR the SSPX, that’s where our first loyalty should lie. If, for example, there is a weekday Mass in our Society chapel and a Summorum Pontificum Mass in a city parish around the same time, then I would always choose to attend the Society Mass, and I do so when I’m free to attend. On days when there is no Society Mass available, again if free to attend, then I will attend the diocesan-permitted Mass.

      So, the answer to your question – in my case at least – is, yes, I totally empathise because I think that what you are expressing, in essence, is simply what I’ve said above about our first loyalty being to the Society, without in any way suggesting that “outside the SSPX there is no salvation”. I simply mean, and I think you mean the same, that whenever possible, we ought to attend Society chapels in preference to diocesan parishes, during this time of crisis because therein lies our peace of heart, mind and soul.

      • I wish the SSPX had the nicer Churches though. I am an arty type. Manchester is full of stunning Churches but the SSPX have to worship in a converted building. I suppose this is superficial. Our humble churches remind us there is a crisis in the Church and there is no justification for us to be triumphant like in the olden days. All the triumph is Our Lady’s and is yet to come. I do like a good Gothic church though.

        • “there is no justification for us to be triumphant like in the olden days”

          Can you explain what this means, because I have never understood it when told we shouldn’t be “triumphalist” – I wondered if it means we should not think there’s anything special about the Catholic Church, that it’s just one religion among many. I can’t make any sense of this use of the word “triumphant” or “triumphalism”. I’d appreciate your help in understanding it better.

          • Certain expressions of the Holy Father are vague and we do not need to try to read anything into them. We do not even know who they are aimed at, although we can deduce from context that ‘self-absorbed Promethean neo-Pelagian’, for example, refers to traditional or ‘conservative’ Catholics, but even then it is unclear. So when ‘triumphalist’ is used in polemic, ignore it, it’s a spurious term, essentially its just a meaningless insult.

            During the middle ages, during the age of Christendom, the whole of society, the culture, all institutions were permeated by the Church. The Church had triumphed. Now the Church is in crisis internally, and combats the forces of Mohammedanism, secularism and apostasy externally. The mystical body of Christ is suffering. Can the Church be said to have triumphed in the modern age? The Church is still glorious, but in the sense Christ Crucified is glorious.

            The neo-Catholics still delusionally believe that we are in an age of triumph, which is why they get upset at us when we insist there is a crisis. They just can’t accept it: they love Holy Church, and this is commendable, but it is an unrealistic love, just like those Jews who abandoned Christ because they could not believe the Messiah was to suffer and was not the triumphant king they were expecting.

            Traditional Catholics are neither triumphalist nor Pelagian. We are not triumphalist because we, and perhaps we alone, are able to acknowledge the suffering and abject state of he Church today. We are not Pelagian, because unlike those who believe they themselves can reform the Church-in-crisis by establishing a ‘hermeneutic of continutity’, we rather acknowledge that we are powerless against the modernist crisis, and nothing will change, except by the intervention of Our Lady. Even the consecration of Russia cannot be performed except by the special grace of Our Lady.

          • MM, briefly I think it means the pre- Vat. II mentality when the faithful firmly believed that they belonged to the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ outside of which there is no salvation. Therefore it was a good thing to feel triumphant, provided that one followed all the dictates of charity regarding our separated brethren. Now, with the new theology we are no longer to believe these things, and so ‘triumphalist’ has become a term of opprobrium so that modernists can reinforce their heresy and lead members of the Church to follow them into it. Ridicule is a powerful weapon in their arsenal.

            • Oh I see. Well then I suppose we are ‘triumphalist’. These words are thrown around but it is not precisely clear who they are aimed at.

              • Muffin Man,

                The charge of “triumphalism” is an insult aimed at mocking the dogma “outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.”

                Here’s one way it’s done fairly frequently in diocesan parishes these days – I heard it again recently from a friend attending a novus ordo parish, who quoted the preacher peddle the old lie, disguised as a (relatively) new joke…

                It’s the “joke” which priests tell, mockingly, every now and then, about the group of people from various religions and assorted denominations who are being shown around Heaven. As they approach a large wall, St Peter puts his fingers to his lips and says “Sssh… that’s where the Catholics are and they think they’re the only ones here.”

                Get it now?

                The dogma that we belong to the one true Church founded by Christ must be suppressed and distorted (by this stupid, unfunny joke) in this new inter-faith/ecumenical mishmash of post-Vatican II invention, because that sounds as if we are being “triumphalist” – which we are. With bells on. WHAT a grace to belong to the true Church! Do I sound “triumphalist”? Then that’s what the enemies of the Faith, whether within or without, mean – they mean that the Church’s claim to be, uniquely, the one ark of salvation, is “triumphalist”, as if it’s not a good thing to acknowledge the grace of being members of the Church of Christ. The current polite custom of prefacing everything we say with an acknowledgement (whether true or false) that this is just my opinion, or one opinion among many and of course you are free to disagree blah blah, is insulting to any but the lowest intelligence. It’s patently obvious that not all religions and denominations can be true. Some must be false – in fact, MOST must be false. Indeed, only one can be true! Go figure, as our American friends say.

                I have to say in all honesty and charity, however, that I’ve never heard any Protestant or member of any non-Christian religion call us that. Only modernist / ignorant Catholics, usually priests, who do not understand the dogma. And although I’ve heard priests tell this “joke”, in a homily, I’ve never heard them explain that it gives an entirely distorted view of the Church’s teaching.

                Always, Modernism equates to Ignorism – although I’m not sure that these joke priests (pun intended and utterly appropriate) will find that “ignorance is bliss” will actually be an acceptable excuse at their judgment. Such ignorance of a key dogma of the Faith is surely culpable.

            • Christina,

              You said, much more concisely, what I have blethered on about in my post below. I wish I’d read yours first, then all I’d have had to say is…

              Well said! Spot on!

      • Yes. How very much we are on the same wavelength.

        A lot of ‘indult’ Mass goers do not presently object to the Novus Ordo (e.g. Dr William Oddie), they attend what they call the ‘Extraordinary Form’ because of the lack of (or in this case not) liturgical abuses and for the aesthetic of the traditional liturgy. This is commendable, of course, the traditional Mass has aesthetic merit, and nobody can be blamed for not wanting to witness liturgical abuse. But the thing is, and I am not judging these people, this is very superficial. I have moved beyond this. For me the Traditional Mass is my only option, it is integrated into my entire spiritual life. It is not a trip to the museum anymore. The idea that the traditional Mass is an antiquarian interest is very damaging to the Traditional Mass.

        I don’t mean to sound obnoxious, but very often at Traditional Masses ‘inside the structures’ you will find plenty of ‘high-church neo-Catholics’. I don’t want to perpetrate the in-group out-group politic, but I think I may already have done. Is this bad?

    • Where exactly did you hear Mass?

      I thought St. Chad’s was the only diocesan TLM on a Sunday in Manchester.

      I heard Mass at Leyland, where the celebrated The Assumption both on Saturday and Sunday in the ‘Old Rite’ – sung Low Mass, superb sermon.

      • St Chad’s, but I am supportive of the Oratorian community there. I was not criticising them, I was merely trying to rationalise my personal feelings.

        • MMR, the observations you made a few posts back about your attendance at an ‘indult’ Mass chimed in very well with my own experiences of NO, via ‘indult’, to SSPX.

          In the case of the particular Masses to which you refer, and earlier ones in another city church, it was disturbing to see Communion given in the hand on demand, transferred feasts, occasional lack of reverence, demonisation of the SSPX (a priest actually referred to it as ‘the dark side’) thanks to ignorance if its status, and so on, and I felt discomfort like yours. Compromises must inevitably follow when a priest, incardinated in a diocese headed by a modernist bishop, wishes to celebrate the traditional Mass. The same surely applies if a priest or priests who are not incardinated as diocesan priests are given a diocesan church in order to set up a church of an order, congregation or other institute of religious life – in the case of Manchester, an Oratory.

          Back in 1992, when a diocesan church was granted for this purpose, it very well suited the then bishop to establish an ‘indult’ Mass there in order to ‘tempt away’ the faithful who were attending the recently established SSPX Masses. I have come to the conclusion that the traditional Mass is unsafe in the hands of those who would compromise with modernism in any way. Unlike the counterfeit NO, the true Mass is protected by rigid rules and rubrics, obedience to which a priest knew, in a happier age, that he was bound under pain of sin. As we no longer have the Sacred Congregation of Rites to which every question concerning the celebration of the traditional Mass was referred, the loose NO custom of pleasing oneself can easily infect its celebration under diocesan conditions.

          Interestingly, and by contrast, last Sunday I went to a church of the ICKSP. The Mass was a solemn one, the correct one in the Missale Romanum for the twelfth Sunday after Pentecost. The beautiful feast of the Assumption of Our Lady had been celebrated in its correct place in the liturgical calendar on Saturday. but then the diocese where this took place has a very orthodox bishop. It behoves all who attend ‘indult’ Masses to think on these things! You don’t always get what you think you’re going to get!

        • Could I just remind contributors that there is no such thing today as an “Indult” Latin Mass. That term was invented during the reign of John Paul II to give the impression that the ancient Mass of the Church had been abrogated by Paul VI and was therefore only permitted by special permission of the Holy See. It was a huge LIE.

          Summorum Pontificum confirms what we Traditional Catholics have always known, viz., that Paul VI never abrogated the ancient Mass in favour of the New and that all priests are therefore free to celebrate it without requiring anyone’s permission.

          I would also respectfully entreat contributors never to use the term “Extraordinary Rite” when referring to the Church’s Mass of all time. It is the New Mass which is extraordinary, in that it has no basis in Catholic Tradition and is of highly suspect theology. It is further extraordinary by reason of the destruction it has visited on the universal faith in just 50 years. The ancient Mass of the saints and martyrs has always been, and will remain, the ordinary means of sanctification for Catholic souls. All arguments to the contrary are just smoke and mirrors.

          • Athanasius,

            Thanks for those reminders. I think (hope) that I always put inverted commas round the term “indult” as I only really used it in response to Muffin Man who used it – I presumed, as a means of identifying the diocesan TLMs as opposed to the SSPX.

            Muffin Man’s to blame, Muffin Man’s to blame, wasn’t me, Muffin Man’s to blame… 😀

            • Editor

              Just you wait till the Muffin Man Returns, he’ll have something to say about your elbow pointing!

              Actually, I knew what you meant by the inverted commas so you weren’t included in my comments. Yes, you were excluded from my attentions, I’m sorry to relate.

              My message was for others who may be misled into adopting very cleverly formulated Modernist words and terms.

              So to Muffin Man I say: Muffin they’re bluffin,’ so give them the rubber ear!

          • I put it in inverted commas as well – also my post referred in part to days before SP when Masses were usually only celebrated outside the SSPX under the terms of the ‘Agatha Christie Indult’.

            • Christina,

              Worry not – it was Muffin Man started the whole thing. It wasn’t us. We’re the innocent parties here. It’s all his fault. Yes, it is, Muffin Man, no excuses 😀

    • Morgana

      I wouldn’t pay too much attention to these sensationalist headlines. Remember, newspapers like the Daily Record depend on sensationalism to keep the money rolling in from sales.

      You’ll note that there was not one single trustworthy source quoted in support of that story. Neither has it made the national news. My guess is it’s baseless scaremongering.

    • Therese,

      That’s a pity. Next time you attempt to register, try to pretend you’re NOT a Sassenach. The system just might be able to detect English blood! 😀

  99. Please may I ask your prayers for a man I know called Linas Sanchez. I have corresponded with him for years (he isn’t online). He has been diagnosed with liver cancer and has written and said “I am not praying for a cure, but that I will be completely given the grace to surrender to the perfect, holy will of the Father”. He has asked for prayers for this intention. Thank you.

  100. I’m placing this lengthy quote from a book I have been reading and I am truly puzzled and somewhat upset. I seek your guidance and illumination: is there any foundation to what this author says?

    “The other important matter with which Pius V was concerned was the implementation of the decrees of the Council of Trent. One of his principal actions in this regard was to authorize the official form of the ‘Tridentine Mass’ (sometimes, though misleadingly, referred to as the ‘Latin Mass’). Primarily as a rejection of various new Protestant ideas as to how the central act of Christian worship should be observed, the Council decreed that the form of the Eucharist, as it has developed in medieval times, should henceforth be normative. Thus enshrined for 400 years was a form of the Catholic Eucharist, or Mass as it had come to be called, which many modern ‘traditionalist’ Catholics consider to be a time-honored and venerable expression of Catholic antiquity and even apostolic integrity. By a similar token, they consider the Mass that replaced the Tridentine version, by order of Pope Paul VI in 1969, to have been something entirely new and in conflict with traditional Catholic theology and liturgy.
    Nothing could be further from the truth. The so-called ‘new’ Mass is in fact based, in modern form, on the Eucharist as celebrated by the Christians of the earliest centuries. Called ‘The Breaking of Bread’ or ‘Lord’s Supper, it began to disappear in the early Middle Ages. The Mass became more and more the preserve of the clergy, to serve the principles of priesthood (or ‘priestcraft as the enemies of such a form of religion call it). The people became increasingly separated from the action of the Mass, as reflected in the architecture of medieval churches.
    […]
    Modern ‘traditionalists – at least those of the more extreme kind – eschew many of the recent liturgical reforms. They tend, for example, to sit staring po-facedly ahead of them when the congregation is exhorted to exchange a sign of peace. Little do they realize that there is no older practice in the whole of Christian history. The first Christians, being pacifists, greeted each other with this sign on meeting and at the beginning of every eucharistic service”.

    from: Gerard Noel, The Renaissance Popes, New York, Carroll and Graf publishers, 2006, pp. 341-342.

    • Perplexed

      Do not concern yourself with that quote, it is utter and errant nonsense. The person who wrote that is just a liar, simple as that.

      Just one example: The sign of peace was from the earliest times exchanged by the clergy alone during Mass, and it was not a handshake as we see today, it was a fraternal embrace.

      Like so many of the novelties that were written into the New Mass, the sign of peace was extended to the laity in breach of the early Christian practice. Communion in the hand is another case in hand. The early Chrsitians never touched the Sacred Host, they leaned forward and consumed from the palm of the right hand, NEVER FROM THE LEFT. At no time did the Eucharist touch their fingers. Also, they washed their hands before Holy Communion and the women covered their hands with a white cloth. So you see, the person who wrote the above passage is trying to hoodwing the reader. All the innovations in the New Mass were copied directly from the Protestant Reformers of the 16th century, who also broke with the liturgical Tradition handed down.

      I hope this goes some way to answering your query.

      • Perplexed

        Just thought I would let you know that Gerard Noel, the author of that paragraph you’re questioning, wrote disparagingly about Pope Pius XII. This should really tell you all you need to know about Gerard Noel, who was (is?) president of the Council of Christians and Jews. Like all newspaper editors (he was editor of the Catholic Herald), Noel doesn’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

    • Perplexed,

      The above comment of yours about the Mass would have been better placed on the new thread ABOUT the new Mass click here to read as you have obviously missed it.

      Just a reminder to check the topics before using this General Discussion thread and it gets filled up so quickly, with a variety of questions and comments on various topics – thus,lengthy debate is not really possible here. Best to check the topics before posting here – for future reference. Please and thank you.

  101. The disgraceful spectacle that is Glasgow pride disrupting the city for two days.When are my rights going to be enforced that I don’t want to or have to accept that this is right .Catholics have human rights as well.Oh wait I better correct that if you don’t accept it your homophobic.Everybody and their granny are allowed an opinion but God help you if you’re a Catholic, nobody is interested.

  102. Madame Editor,

    According to a poster on the SSPX web site, there will be a National pilgrimage to Walsingham on Saturday September 5th under the guidance of Fr. Ockerse. This is being held for the solemn consecration “of our faithful, our families, our country” to the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    The pilgrimage will commence at 1.00pm at the Slipper Chapel, and will cover the one mile or so to Walsingham where Mass will be offered in the open air ruins of the Augustinian Priory of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, as the Diocesan authorities will not permit the use of the nearby Catholic church by the SSPX and its adherents. Mass will also be offered at 11.00 am on Sunday 6th September in the same ruins, and there are numerous B&B establishments which will accept two-night bookings at quite modest prices.

    Sadly, numbers rarely impress, which must be a cause of great sorrow to the Blessed Virgin Mary given that this is a once-a-year opportunity to make the pilgrimage, and so close to her birthday on September 8th too.

    May I, Madame Editor, through this blog, urge as many as possible of our bloggers and lurkers to undertake this penance and to offer a prayer also for all those Catholics whose ears and eyes and minds are so firmly closed against Tradition and its champion, the SSPX.

    Thank you – and here is the poster:

  103. Can anybody help me find the link to the baby’s brain being harvested whilst his heart beat? I looked on the Planned Parenthood thread but can’t find it. I sent the link to a friend last week and she has come back to say it is no longer available. Surely you computer whizz kids can find it??

  104. If you type in just what you have baby’s brain harvested whilst heart beats the article will come up on life site news

  105. I’m putting this message on the Book Sale thread, on this thread as well, in case anyone misses it!

    MESSAGE FROM EDITOR

    Editor is not too well at the moment, so apologises for her absence from the blog. She asked me to post the following list of books which Westminster Fly is offering free to readers/bloggers, with a charge for p & p only. Anyone who wants any of the books should send a request to him, with their address etc, by email to westminsterfly@btinternet.com

    He will then send the books with notification of the cost of p & p and the purchaser should then send a cheque made payable to Catholic Truth, marked “Books” (either on back of cheque or in a separate note) and when the exchanges are completed, we will send a cheque for the total p & p costs to Westminster Fly. Please do not use PayPal for these transactions, as PayPal donations are marked for the Catholic Truth fund only.

    Now follows the book list – free to a good home… (cost of p & p only – see above)

    Quantity Title Author

    1 True Devotion to Mary St Louis de Montfort
    1 The Rhine Flows into the Tiber Ralph Wiltgen
    1 The Order of Melchisedech Michael Davies
    1 Pope Paul’s New Mass Michael Davies
    1 Pope John’s Council Michael Davies
    1 Cranmer’s Godly Order Michael Davies
    1 The 2nd Vatican Council and Religious Liberty Michael Davies
    1 The Complete Catholic Handbook Carmel of Plymouth
    5 A landscape with Dragons Michael O’Brien
    1 A Catholic replies to Professor Dawkins Thomas Crean OP
    1 The Reform of the Roman Liturgy its Problems and Background Mons. Klaus Gamber
    1 The Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described Fortesque – O’Connell
    1 Holy Bible (St James)
    1 The Pope’s Armada Gordon Urquhart
    1 The Death of the West Patrick J Buchanan
    1 Women Priests and other Fantasies Rev.Vincent Michel
    2 Three Popes and a Cardinal Malachi Martin
    1 The Way of Divine Love Sr Josefa Menendez
    1 The Catechism of the Catholic Church
    1 St Thomas Aquinas Jacques Maritain
    1 Orthodoxy G K Chesterton
    1 The Everlasting Man G K Chesterton
    1 Tremendous Trifles G K Chesterton
    1 What’s wrong with the World G K Chesterton
    1 Selected Essays G K Chesterton
    1 Ballad of the White Horse G K Chesterton
    1 Not the Whole Truth John Cardinal Heenan
    1 Apologia Pro Vita Sua John Cardinal Newman
    1 St Teresa Of Jesus Fr. Gabriel ODC
    1 The Catholic Church through the Ages Martin P. Harney SJ
    1 St Emile de Rodat Trans. By Gaetan Bernoville
    1 The Divine Armoury of Holy Scripture Kenelm Vaughan
    1 set In Conversation with God Vols 1 – V11 Francis Fernandez
    1 Catholic London Douglas Newton
    1 John Henry Newman John Moody
    1 Emmaus Denis McBride
    1 Life of Mons R H Benson Vol 2 C C Martindale SJ
    1 The Stripping of the Altars Eamon Duffy
    1 Jean de Brebeuf Joseph P Donnelly SJ
    1 The Whole Truth about Fatima Vol 2 Frere Michel de la St. Trinite
    1 Witnesses to Jesus M. Malinski
    1 When God made the World (Childs book) David Hunter
    1 Butlers Lives of the Saints (Concise Ed) Forward by Basil Cardinal Hume
    1 A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture
    1 St Ignatius of Loyala Leonard Von Matt & Hugo Rahner
    1 St Theresa and Liseux a Photo Documentary Pierre Descouvement & Helmuth Nils Loose
    1 John Paul 11 Fatima Pilgrim a Photo Documentary
    1 The Holy Land Photo Book
    1 Cause of the Canonisation of the Blessed Martyrs of England and Wales, Official Presentation
    of the Documents on Martyrdom and Cult to the Sacred Congregation of Rites Historical Section Archdiocese of Westminster

  106. Madame Editor,

    Do get well soon.

    I have offered up a prayer to St. Luke for your speedy restoration to full health.

  107. I was in a conversation with a Catholic friend some months ago, and we were discussing the Anti-Christ. She said even if the Pope is the Anti-Christ ‘we have to obey him’. Why do we have to obey him? Why would we want to obey Christ’s enemy?

  108. CC

    I wouldn’t get too much into that kind of thinking and conversation, which is really just a waste of time. Whatever errors Pope Francis is guilty of, and there are few, he most certainly is not the Anti-Christ.

    • I think she was referring to the Pope/ Papacy in general, and not just Pope Francis or his errors.

  109. Thank you all for your kind “get well” wishes, but I’m fine, really, It’s not that kind of sickness – maybe closer to the “sick and tired” variety but be that as it may, I’m hoping to be able to catch up with comments over the next couple of days. Although I’ve already caught up with yours, Helen; that “we’ll have a bit of peace for a while” comment has been duly noted!

    I’ve now posted a new thread, updated the website and voting poll and believe that makes me eligible for a Devon Cream Tea, so I’m off to catch the next train!

    Sincere thanks to you all for your kind good wishes. You make it all worthwhile – that “sick and tired” feeling, I mean 😀

  110. I have some (doubtless silly) questions regarding abstinence:

    I abstain from meat on Fridays and usually have fish as a result eg: tuna sandwiches for lunch, then something like fish cakes / salmon fillets, or even a fish supper, for dinner.

    One Friday recently I had wolfed my fish supper as usual, (I am noted for inhaling my food!), and noticed that my wife (not Catholic) had left the last of her black pudding supper. I was about to hoover up the remainder of the black pudding, but she said I could not have it as it was a friday. I was baffled at first, thinking “this isnt meat” but then thought the better of it and so didnt eat it.

    So, are blood products like black pudding considered as meat, when it comes to abstinence?

    I tried to find out via searching online, but this only confused me further as I found various references saying Christians should not eat blood products at all. There were a few Leviticus references, but also one from the New Testament, Acts 15:20, given to support this.

    Acts 15:20

    But that we write unto them, that they refrain themselves from the pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

    So I guess my question expands into asking what is the status / permissability of blood-based foods in general for Catholics?

    I had never heard of this prohibition of blood before. When I was a child, I always knew about fish on fridays – even though the practice had been largely abandoned at that time – but I had never heard of issues surrounding blood.

    Finally, I actually really enjoy fish / other seafood – does this devalue my abstinence?

    Despite my enjoying seafood, there have been many times where I have coveted something involving meat to eat on Fridays – rolls and bacon or sausage at breakfast, or a burger at lunch, or for dinner a chicken curry, chicken rogan josh, spaghetti bolognaise or a sausage supper etc etc – have always denied myself and stuck to the fish.

    • According to the Catholic Encyclopaedia:

      Throughout the Latin Church the law of abstinence prohibits all responsible subjects from indulging in meat diet on duly appointed days. Meat diet comprises the flesh, blood, or marrow of such animals and birds as constitute flesh meat according to the appreciation of intelligent and law-abiding Christians. source (emphasis added)

      I have to admit I hadn’t thought of black pudding being a problem – but then I can’t stand the stuff!

  111. (I have also posted this on the recent Pope Francis thread:)

    As part of his year of Mercy, Pope Francis has confirmed that SSPX priests can validly absolve sins – which should put an end to the mean spirited talk we hear from various other quarters:

    “A final consideration concerns those faithful who for various reasons choose to attend churches officiated by priests of the Fraternity of St Pius X. This Jubilee Year of Mercy excludes no one. From various quarters, several Brother Bishops have told me of their good faith and sacramental practice, combined however with an uneasy situation from the pastoral standpoint. I trust that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity. In the meantime, motivated by the need to respond to the good of these faithful, through my own disposition, I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Fraternity of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins.”

    https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2015/09/01/0637/01386.html#ing

    This is another step towards normalisation of the SSPX situaiton (Francis alludes that this is imminent.)

    Although the text is written as though this only applies during the year of mercy, it is unthinkable that this official stance would not now become the norm.

    • This Pope is an enigma. But it has been said that canonical regularisation is more possible under this pontificate than it ever could be. Bishop Fellay said “we are on the eve of important events that we cannot yet define”.

      Maybe HH Francis knows that after October the bishops conferences will be granted the privilege to change ‘praxis’ vis-à-vis the sacraments and the ‘re-married’ within their respective jurisdictions. He therefore feels it is only fair that traditionalists and conservatives should be granted freedom to go their own way as well. Maybe he thinks a de jure factional Church is an honest solution to the de facto factional Church we have at the moment…

      If this is what he thinks, I am inclined to agree. Lets stop pretending we’re all the same. If this is his plan we would end up like the Anglican Communion. In any case, materially, we already are. When Damian Thompson floated this idea in the Spectator recently I thought he was being silly, but he might actually be on to something. If the Church splinters, it might actually start to convince people there is a crisis.

      I first heard this news from WDTPRS. Somehow, Fr Z seems to make it all about himself.

      • Muffin Man,

        I certainly hope the Bishops Conferences are not given such freedom after the Synod! Anytime Bishops Conferences are given any authority, it seems things immediately slip to the lowest common denominator as they chase after popularity like Z-list celebrities.

        I have feared what you suggest though, that maybe Francis’ apparent kindness towards the Society is an attempt to be even handed with regard to concessions elsewhere.

        I think it would be a big mistaken to change practice with regard to the divorced and remarried. For starters, we would be protestants in all but name. And It would solve nothing – the complaints of lack of charity / inclusiveness etc would simply immediately move on to moaning about the inability to have a 2nd Church Wedding.

        I think the Anglican communion is the last thing we want to be like! The Church was strong and unified for nearly 2,000 years (various blips not withstanding). It can be so again. After all, that is what Our Lord wanted. “Unity in diversity” is no unity at all, it is a pretence. Sadly “pretence” increasingly sums up the Novus Ordo Church.

        If Francis is concerned about a factional Church – he only has himself and other prelates of his age to blame. He should seek to tackle dissent and lack of catechesis – not compound the mess Bishops have created over the last decades. Prelates must have the humility to accept that the path taken over the past decades has been disasterous, and must get things back on track.

        Ultimately Francis would be a fool to be positive towards the Society in this way – only then to create a new obstacle for faithful Catholics by undermining traditional practice and all moral teaching.

        He would be giving with one hand, and slapping in the face with the other!

    • Gabriel Syme,

      I’ve answered on the Pope Francis thread and it would be best if all future comments on this were posted there, as this one is just about due to close and re-open as GD # 9. Easier to follow the discussion on the other thread, methnks.

  112. Pope Francis making it easier for women and doctors to seek forgiveness for abortion only for the coming jubilee year beginning in December.

    • Gabriel Syme,

      I’ve signed the petition and also emailed my MP as follows (note the small number of signatures and number required to reach the floor of Parliament, so encourage everyone you know to sign.)

      Dear (Name)

      I write to inform you that I have signed this petition (1) to make abortion illegal in the UK

      I trust that you will seriously examine the issues surrounding the right to life of the most vulnerable people in society, the unborn child, and I include this link to a website (2) which depicts, in graphic terms, the full horror of the abortion procedure. I send this, not to offend you but to highlight the truth about abortion which the media keeps from the general public, assuming that you would prefer to know the truth rather than be misinformed by those with various vested interests in the abortion industry.

      Kind regards.
      Signed…

      (1) included link to the petition https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105803

      (2) linked to Abort67 http://abort67.co.uk/

        • Thank you Leprechaun. I just didn’t have the time, at the time, if you get my drift 😀 I’ve now added the two links to my post, just for ease of reference for new readers and bloggers who may only now be reading about this petition. Thanks for the prompt. Much appreciated.

          Great, too, that you’ve copied my letter to send to your MP – brilliant. Let’s hope they visit Abort67 website and that it grabs their indifference and throttles it to death!

  113. Aljazeera “Inside Story” this a.m. on the trends with Franciscus. Vatican American cleric, African cleric, “Church Historian”. Worse than has been exposed on web to-date. One, “Pope not to judge clergy on subject of their sexual orientation”; more women in Church hierarchy; etc.

    Interviewer raised some hard points. Will be repeated at another time to-day.

  114. Editor, any chance you will remove the ‘named person’ thread from the top of your blog quite soon? It’s just so depressing seeing Nicola Sturgeon every time I scroll down to the recent stuff!

    • Pew Catholic,

      While you have my complete sympathy, I thought we would leave the NP thread at the top until the appeals procedure has been exhausted. Or at least, until the Supreme Court rules. It might take forever to reach Europe, so we won’t suffer wee Nicola for that length of time. No way! I’m about to post the latest from the NO2NP campaign on that thread right now, so, see you over there!

      On a different topic, WordPress notified me that the Hollie Greig campaign has reblogged our discussion about her situation – click here to reach it. You will then find yourself back here reading the Hollie Greig thread from May 2014. I have just re-opened that thread to allow further comment.

    • Crofterlady,

      Thank you for that alert very sad news, but consoling that (if I’m reading it correctly) Bishop Fellay’s mother died on the Feast of Saint Pius X. Very consoling.

  115. We are now in the throes of another bizarre campaign. It is to let all the “refugees” into Europe.
    I have looked at the whole thing analytically, indofar as is possible, and it is pretty much a fraud being perpetrated on Western Europe. At any rate there is no evidence to the contrary. Story after story emanates from the BBC and the MSM intended to pluck at our heart strings, but there is no investigation or corroboration.
    Now not only Archbishop Tartaglia but the Holy Father have weighed in, urging us to take “refugees” into our hearts and homes. Our politicians are now agreeing to take in thousands and provide them with homes, income, schooling, health care. (Apparently the fact that a quarter of Scots children live in poverty can be ignored.)
    However, the bishops of the Catholic Church ignore the fact that the soi-disant “refugees” are our enemies. They hate us and will kill us because we are Christian. They are doing just that in the Middle East, London, and Glasgow.
    The politicians, who have no moral compass other than PC relativism, are happy to flood the country with people who will never be integrated (Google Rotherham).
    Only Hungary has tried to stem the flood and uphold the rules and laws agreed to and put in place by the UN and the EU. Only Viktor Orban the Hungarian Prime Minister has spoken plainly in defence of the Christian West. The Hungarians probably remember the Battle of Mohacs better than we do.

    • Madame Editor,

      I am not convinced that all Muslims are out to convert us to their religion. Fanatics and fundamentalists, yes, but the ordinary man-in-the-street type Muslim, in my opinion, is content to practise a “live and let live” philosophy in the West as long as he is allowed to attend his mosque and to offer his prayers five times a day in the direction of Mecca without interference from non-Muslims.

      I understand there are two main branches to Islamism – Sunni and Shia – and that the militants are prepared to slaughter even their fellow-Muslims if they will not change their adherence.

      I deplore the West’s attitude to President Assad of Syria. He was democratically elected by his people, and he maintained from the very start of the troubles in Syria that the unrest was being provoked by foreign militant insurgents seeking to destabilise his country. Note that President Putin of Russia sympathises with President Assad.

      Two Syrian refugee brothers (one a doctor and the other a dentist) said that they had each had good livings in their country until they were driven out by a war they did not wish any part in, and the same must apply to many of the refugees.

      It seems clear to me that there are two possible solutions to stemming the refugee flood: Either, harking back to the days of the Crusades, the countries of the West need to send in their armies to confront and crush the militants and thus extinguish the evil force that is driving innocent people from their homes, or, in these more modern times, Pope Francis must consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that she can resolve the problem by supernatural means.

      It is not right to do a bad act in order to bring about a good result, so the only option remaining is for all the Diplomats and Heads of State in the West to concentrate their combined persuasiveness on Pope Francis and bring about a no-nonsense Consecration of Russia just as Our Lady requested.

      This option needs bringing to the attention of each Western government by the peoples of those countries writing to their representatives and demanding action to bring about that end.

      I think that Christmas Day would be a significant date on which the Consecration could be made – all it needs is for someone who commands the loyalty of good Catholics to publish a timetable and call for it to be actioned.

      “To whom shall we turn, Lord?”

      • You come across as an apologist for Islam. It has already gone too far. Check with your local authority whether school dinners are halal at all schools? That is simply one facet.

        • Love thy neighbour as thyself” said Our Lord.

          I am no apologist for Islam, having been forced out of the Magistracy after 17 years service for refusing to attend the local mosque and hear about the principles of Sharia Law.

          Russia will be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary even though it may be late in the day, and we have Our Lady’s promise on that.

          In comparison with such supernatural intervention, of what importance is it that, for the time being, a few politically correct educational authorities may or may not be providing halal meals at some schools?

          Consider this extract from the Apostles’ Creed:

          . . . who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate . . .

          Notice the absence of any details about His life between His birth and His Passion?

          Halal meals in schools? Pardon?

          • Leprechaun,

            With respect, I am surprised at your position about halal meals. Meals which are prepared in accordance with the rules of a false religion to please their false god, should be limited to people who believe in that religion and god, not imposed on children in all schools, including Catholic schools.

            You can’t say that it’s ok to insult the Trinity by accepting false beliefs about god (halal) just because Russia will eventually be consecrated. If you take that mindset to its logical conclusion, then nothing matters until the Consecration is done. I can’t see how that makes sense.

            And I don’t get your point about the creed? There are plenty of details about the life of Jesus in the New Testament – you can’t expect all the details to be recited every time we say the creed surely?

            I have to say I’m impressed by your stance as a Magistrate – well done, you. That wouldn’t have been easy. I wish more people were as conscientious.

          • It’s not just a few politically correct authorities, Leprechaun. All meat sold in the freezer and cold counter departments of supermarkets is now halal (not pork, obviously!) and therefore all schools are producing halal meals. This includes meat from New Zealand.

            Well done on taking a principled stand re your magistracy.

        • I agree with you, Andrew. The underlying problem is that western Europeans, with a civilisation based on Christian values, no matter how corrupted they have become, cannot enter into the tribal mindset of Islam and its adherents, no matter how ‘peaceful’ they may seem to be. And nor can they comprehend that terrifying determination to spread the worship of their false god throughout the world by any means. For a long time now we have seen their banners claiming that Islam will conquer Britain and Europe at demonstrations in this country, but typically have shrugged them off as the views of a few extremists. In parts of Britain large communities are settled, but neither the indigenous original populations nor the Muslim immigrants – no matter what number generation they are, either desire or could achieve true assimilation and integration. Thanks to the indigenous population’s moral corruption, the Muslim population (a woman’s purpose is to bear seven sons for Allah) is set to outnumber it in a few generations. And now Europe has ‘opened its borders’. I am not totally lacking in compassion, I hope, but I see the exploitation of tragic circumstances, by ‘celebrities’ to cite one example, arousing that unreasoned and unreasoning outpouring of mass emotion that has become a hallmark of the modern crowd. ‘Peaceful’, devout Muslims may do no harm, and go about their lives mostly quietly, while politically correct local councils provide for all their religious needs – halal meat for all children and many adults being one example. But they will rejoice, in the name of their unholy religion when the Islamic caliphate becomes a reality and the infidel is converted.

          The Arab states do not feature in this refugee crisis, and again one needs to ask why. After all, these people are their Muslim brothers and sisters.

          And how many noticed, during the lawless exhibitions in Calais, that the women and children of typical refugee families were hardly to be seen? We saw strong, determined and resourceful young men. ‘Adventurers’ is a word that came to me as I watched some of them – and I tried hard not to see them thus. I have also wondered, uncomfortably, I confess, that if refugees entering Europe have paid large sums of money to people traffickers, what is becoming of the poor of the God-forsaken countries who are left there? I do not know what our political masters can do now, and, as Leprechaun has said, only Pope Francis has the earthly power to do anything at all.

          • Christina, you have summed things up very neatly. The BCC has bombarded us with images of weeping mothers and wide-eyed children.
            As a result of the blatant pressure the BBC shamelessly put on the PM and the Government to follow the line of opening the gates to unnumbered “refugees”, the gates have been opened.
            The BBC no longer attempts to mention the legality of the actions of these would-be emigrants or to distinguish the various types: refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants.
            There are some questions that the neither the BBC or anyone else asks.
            They do not ask how poor emigrants fleeing impoverished war-torn countries have mobile smartphones that work in all countries. Or how they have been able to pay the charges of the alleged smugglers. Or afford the ticket for a train from Budapest to Austria. I know that I can’t. I am beginning to wonder if there are not foreign paymasters at work here paying these people to come.
            As for the dead boy, the picture only has an impact on the gullible and dim. This has been happening for months. Every week men women and children drowned in the Mediterranean. We don’t need a picture to tell us. We know, and it does not change a thing.
            The parents put the child into mortal danger. It was their choice. Is Turkey not safe? Why does Merkel not suggest that Turkey deals with the problem?
            Was the picture staged? The MSM and the BBC in particular has spared no effort, and left no sob story untold in an attempt to unlock the gates of the UK.
            We have had a Syrian girl followed on her journey by the BBC. A personable young lady, as it happens. Nothing has been investigated or verified. The BBC have cosied up to illegal emigrants and spoken sweetly to them. We do not know if any of this is true.
            The use of emotive terms (refugees) and emotive pictures (wide-eyed children) together with a sympathetic and biased treatment in the media, particularly the BBC, hides the reality, and has been a constant theme. These people are criminals, no different to a burglar who enters your home and, threatening violence, takes what he wants.
            They come from their own countries, many of which they themselves have wrecked, to avail themselves of the work, effort and investment of money and thought that has created a reasonably civilised, and still fundamentally Christian, place to live. It has taken us hundreds of years and many generations to reach this level. Our Government is not only prepared but very keen for it all to be destroyed by those who have no concept of society or civilised standards as represented by Western civilisation. Our emotions are being manipulated in the same way as is done to sell soap powder.
            The reality of what is happening would be much clearer if the young men, who make up the majority of the “refugees”, all wore uniforms. Not “refugees” but invaders.
            The cost of this to the taxpayer is not properly stated. Unless indigenous British citizens are to be kicked out of their homes (and this is effectively what happens as these “refugees” immediately go to the top of the list for social housing) then at least 250 new houses require to be built in Scotland. The First Minister has kindly offered to take 1000 of these people, so I am calculating that would be 250 nuclear families with two adults and two children. As a house will cost £120,000 the housing cost will be £30m. In addition there will be schooling, health care and subsistence. This will amount to about £15,000 per year per person, I guess. So, a further £15 m per year will be expended. Over a period of sixteen years the cost to the taxpayer will be a total of £270m.
            Cameron is taking £100m from the overseas aid budget to cover 20,000 incomers. My calculations suggest that this figure is (£270m x 20) -£100m, or £5,300m short of what will be abstracted from the pockets of the UK taxpayer.
            In any event there will be many more niqabs being worn at Notre Dame High School.

            • Andrew, you said it here before the Hungarian (foreign minister?) said it on BBC just a short while ago – “Europe is being invaded”. He too has noticed that 80% of migrants – he refuses to call them refugees – are young men of fighting age. He also noted, a new one on me, that many Pakistanis and Bagladeshis, claiming to be Syrians, are found among those at the Hungarian border. Germany admits that with its ageing and falling population (the reason not being mentioned), these ‘refugees’ are needed to repopulate the country. It’s all over, without divine intervention. I often wonder why Islam wasn’t mentioned by Our Lady at Fatima.

              • Christina,

                “I often wonder why Islam wasn’t mentioned by Our Lady at Fatima.”

                Well, given that the Third Secret remains “secret”, who knows, Our Lady MAY have mentioned Islam at Fatima. If, as most scholars suspect, she mentioned Vatican II, there’s a chance the whole shebang was mentioned, ecumenism, inter-faith, the lot! I’ve even heard/read it said that the fact that Our Lady chose to appear at Fatima, itself makes a connection with Islam, Fatima being the name of one of the daughters of Muhammed. So, who knows?

                • A certain Hungarian Bishop, Laszlo Kiss-Rigo has also stated that Europe is being invaded and that the Muslim migrants will come to subvert Christianity. It is well-known that Islam has a belief called Hijrah, by which Muslims colonise an area through migration, and through their energetic breeding habits take over an area in a form of peaceful Jihad.

    • Therese,

      You nearly gave me a heart attack! When I read it properly it’s really about the annulment process being simplified and to be fair when someone is genuinely entitled to an annulment (and I can think of several in my own experience) then it is not fair to keep them waiting years for an annulment just because of bad bureaucracy.

  116. Sorry Margaret Mary! When I posted there were no details – just “breaking news”. Still, it’s good to get the circulation moving, they say!

    However, having read the item I’m not comforted at all. The “annulment” situation is already out of hand, and I do fear that making it easier will, in practice, mean easy divorce, although I’m sure we can rely upon our outstandingly Catholic bishops to maintain the purity of Church doctrine in this regard.

      • I remember Pope John Paul II having to step in and get tough when annulments in the U.S. jumped from something like 700 per annum in 1965 to more than 50,000 by 1990. Pope Francis may well open those floodgates again.

        • I agree Athanasius; Fr Zs comment:

          It looks a lot like a return to the norms that were in place in the 70’s in these USA, which were catastrophic, and “annulments” were being handed out like aspirin to brides with headaches on their wedding days.

    • The “annulment” situation is already out of hand, and I do fear that making it easier will, in practice, mean easy divorce, although I’m sure we can rely upon our outstandingly Catholic bishops to maintain the purity of Church doctrine in this regard.

      That is a crucial part Therese.

      I have heard of shocking statistics regaridng annullment rates in some countries; regarding Francis intervention here, the stats will also be crucial to see if the process is being run properly or being abused.

  117. I havent had time to read it in depth, but here is part the Catholic Herald response to the Motu Proprio:

    The Pope wishes to speed up annulments, but he does not want to compromise the doctrine of indissolubility.Because bishops will judge, and because bishops are charged with upholding the faith in union with the Holy See, the doctrine of indissolubility will be safeguarded. One notes the way the Pope speaks of “faith and discipline” – the latter reflects the former, and the two cannot be seperated. That is a crucial point and it gives a hint to the discussions at the coming Synod, where, one hopes, all talk of faith and discipline parting compnay will be sternly resisted.

    One also notes the reference to the “Catholic unity” that exists between Peter and the bishops. We all know that Catholic means universal. This too is a hint that so called “local solutions” will be given short shrift. The Church is One, as the Creed states: Germany will not be getting what it wants. The Pope has come down in favour of Cardinal Müller, not Cardinal Marx

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/09/08/annulments-pope-has-come-down-in-favour-of-cardinal-muller-not-cardinal-marx/

    From scanning it, it seems encouraging, I am just hoping the neo-con Catholics are not deluding themselves as to Francis’ intentions!

    Re the last line, about the Pope coming down in favour of Muller, not Marx – for one thing, I am sure I speak for us all when I say we could really do without this uncertainty / soap opera that th CHurch inflicts upon us at times!

    • I think this is the pope trying to side step the Holy Ghost. He knows he can’t change doctrine so this is a blatant attempt at undermining doctrine through the Pastoral door. I’m sure the Holy Ghost has the measure of him!

      This reminds me of the reforms of the process for canonisation. The procedure instilled confidence. Not anymore.

      • Petrus,

        The “reform” of the annulment process is too unbelievable for words. And on this morning’s Kaye Adams’ show (with Louise White standing in for Kaye) we had to listen to Ronnie Convery, Church employee in Glasgow, crooning along from the same hymn sheet as Papa Francis, proving beyond a doubt, that the report from an “inside source” posted on this blog some time ago, is highly unlikely to be true; that is, the claim that Archbishop Tartaglia (Convery’s “boss”) told his priests that he will not be putting up with any shenanigans at the Synod.

        Remember? He said that if part two of the synod turns out to be as per part one, he “may” not be Archbishop of Glasgow any longer.* Yeah right. I’ll believe it when I see the headlines about his resignation because clearly, he supports this “slimming down of the annulment process” to undermine marriage or Convery, we have to presume, wouldn’t be so arrogant as to participate in a discussion on Radio Scotland crowing about it. Click here to listen to this morning’s conversation on the topic: scroll along to 02-24-37

        * It is true, but only in the sense that the Archbishop did say this – I verified it at the time – but I don’t believe – frankly – that he will do a darn thing if the synod goes ahead in the same vein as part one. He said that in that case, he “may” not be archbishop much longer. Which allows for the possibility, of course, that he well “may” And I think he will. Otherwise, he’d have refused to go along with this blatant “easy divorce and remarriage for Catholics” dressed up as slimming down the annulment process, instead of sending one of his minions on to Radio Scotland to defend it.

  118. It was the only wiggle-room Francis had, given the teaching of Christ. But why did it take him so long to realise that?

    And why is this whole question of annulments not part of the forthcoming synod? Is it to give the homosexual lobby a clear run?

  119. The latest from Michael Matt at the Remnant:

    Early reports are in, and it looks like Pope Francis, as expected, has radically reformed the process by which Catholics may annul their marriages, streamlining steps that many liberals in the church considered too cumbersome.

    The move is the latest in a series of public relations initiatives, whereby Francis hopes to make his pontificate appear more responsive to the needs of lay Catholics, especially those who have “long felt marginalized” by the hierarchy (READ: Don’t like Catholic moral theology).

    The three main changes announced on Tuesday are:

    • Eliminating a second review by a cleric before a marriage can be nullified.

    • Giving bishops the ability to fast-track and grant the annulments themselves in certain circumstances — for example, when spousal abuse or an extramarital affair has occurred.

    • The process should be free, except for a nominal fee for administrative costs, and should be completed within 45 days.

    The Pope’s reforms came Tuesday in the form of two “motu proprio” documents, Latin for “by (the Pope’s) own initiative.” They become part of Catholic canon law on December 8, the beginning of Francis’ declared “Year of Mercy.”

    REMNANT COMMENT: We’ll have to wait for the official translation later today, but this already promises to dramatically undermine marriage, especially in third world countries where the annulment process is less popular and marriage vows are stronger.

    The Pope is reportedly waiving fees, leaving it up to local bishops to delegate priests to handle annulments, removing one of the tribunals, removing the automatic appeal, and green-lighting annulments when both parties want the annulment. (This last one is my favorite, by the way, since it basically means that when you and the missus decide to call it quits all you need is mutual agreement that the thing never happened in the first place. Now . isn’t . that . convenient!)

    And of course the Holy Father is adding a “lack of faith” to the growing list of trumped-up reasons to conclude there was never a marriage in the first place, as well. At the end of the day, if you WANT an annulment you GOT an annulment . . . but let’s not call it “divorce”. Heck, no! That would tamper with the indissolubility of marriage!

    By the way, what about those of us who feel marginalized for believing as Catholics believed for thousands of years, that marriage vows actually mean something, that only death can break them, that we are married in the eyes of God, that there is no opt-out clause? What about us?

    What about those who follow the rules and take marriage seriously, and who firmly believe that “streamlining the annulment process” is just an embarrassingly transparent euphemism for on-demand divorce for Catholics? Any chance of us getting a little mercy up in here? No? I didn’t think so!

    What a joke! How the halls of hell must be echoing with the booming laughter of old Henry the King of England.

    Well played, Francis. You’ve done it again!

    • Therese, I’m shocked. Surely spousal abuse and extramarital affairs weren’t always valid reasons for annulment? I always thought that separation was the only course open to the innocent party, and was taught that marriages were annulled only if there was defect of intent or canonical form or if the marriage was not consummated. We were also made aware of the Pauline Privilege, but thought that a bit hard on the ‘pagan’ spouse! From what you have said I see no difference now between annulment and divorce. Perhaps Henry VIII will get a posthumous apology.

      • Christina

        I’m very confused by your post. I have said nothing to contradict your understanding of the valid reasons for annulment. Have you misunderstood?

        • Sorry Therese, I can see why you were confused, as my post is VERY badly expressed. I meant that I was shocked by the report by Michael Matt, as I hadn’t realised just how far ‘annulments’ compromise Church teaching as I received it. I should not have said “From what you have said” when I meant “From what you have brought to bloggers’ attention in quoting from Michael Matt”.

          Would I disagree with one who is top of the pay-scale? Perish the thought and blame my late nights😁.

          • Christina – ah – now I understand. No apology necessary – I get confused so easily nowadays – especially with what’s coming out of the Vatican. I wish you were in charge of the payroll though – you’ve promoted me. I wasn’t even on the lowest scale, but shhh… I won’t say anything if you don’t…..

    • I have never understood how this process worked. It only applied to rich people because of the long drawn out and expensive hearings etc. Like Christina I did not think that adultery was a reason. Rather the opposite as non-consummation was valid reason.
      I thought that the Church recognised as valid, marriages that were properly entered outside the Church. I wrote to the relevant bishop in Australia enquiring how Nicole Kidman could be married in a Catholic ceremony as she had contracted a marriage with Tom Cruise and subsequently divorced. No reply.
      If a marriage of a Catholic to a Scientologist is not recognised as valid by the Church (the only explanation I have been able to get) it throws the doors open for any abuse. I admit my lack of understanding on this.
      The Church has long forgotten the direction that couples who have previously “been living in open and public concubinage” should not be married in a Catholic ceremony.

      • Regarding marital invalidity, I was unaware that non-consummation was grounds for an annulment. I always thought that marriages were invalid, and thus eligible for annulment, if there was some defect of intent or canonical form, such as if it was forced, arranged, one partner was impotent/ homosexual or had another partner at the time of the marriage. Why would non-consummation be granted an annulment? Is this covered by defect of intention, i.e. the intention (assumed at least) being procreation?

        Just one more question. Are celibate marriages permitted, where the spouses decide not to breed from the start? I believe the Little Flower’s parents intended to do this, but their confessor advised them not to. Correct me if I’m wrong, but are these marriages called Josephite marriages? A Catholic friend told me that getting married and not having sex was ‘selfish’.

        • Christina, thanks for your response. I think most circumstances are covered by your first paragraph, and psychological or physical incapacity are included.
          Celibate marriages I am not sure of. There must be different categories, otherwise old people could not validly marry. One argument would be that procreation may be the main, but not the only purpose of marriage.
          St Paul covers it mostly in Ephesians 22/32.
          (Dom Eugene Boylan expands on this theme in a chapter of “This Tremendous Lover”).
          But again, I must confess I don’t know that much.

        • I always understood marriage to be complete once the marital act had taken place.  I must admit I strongly dislike “breed”.  It’s a very crude term.

          Sent from my Samsung device

          • Petrus,

            There is no mention of the marital act in the vows. If someone vows before God to live out the things on the list without having any intention of doing so, that surely nullifies the event, as it would in any other sphere of life. I’m not “for” annulments, don’t get me wrong, but I’m also not for injustice if someone, male or female has married in good faith, meaning their vows and not having a clue that their partner has no intention of keeping theirs. I’ve always understood it was about freedom to make the vows, no coercion and sincerity, meaning to keep the vows for life.

            If you (assuming you’re married) found out that your wife had no intention of keeping faithful to you, and wanted to have affairs while staying with you in the marriage home, would you feel that you were in a real marriage?

            • You misunderstand me.  All I’m saying is that a valid marriage has to be consumated.  I didn’t refer to intent.

              Sent from my Samsung device

          • Petrus,

            sorry, I can see you were replying to Andrew Paterson and not the other posts on this subject! I was talking to you and you were actually talking to someone else! LOL!

        • CC, not all homosexuals in heterosexual marriages are impotent, I know one and he couldn’t have been impotent because he has a child.

  120. And speaking as someone who has already witnessed an ‘annulment’ travesty in their own immediate family, I would say things need to be tightened up – not loosened!

  121. Kurt Martens, a professor of canon law at Catholic University, said the expedited process would apply to Catholic couples facing certain conditions, including those who have an abortion, a grave contagious disease, children from a previous relationship or imprisonment. Essentially, Martens said, the church is providing a path that looks like the Catholic version of no-fault divorce.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/09/08/pope-francis-is-reforming-the-catholic-churchs-marriage-annulment-process/

    I think I can see what he has done; in the Catholic Herald article I posted above, Fr Lucie-Smith was crowing that “The Germans wont get what they want” at the synod (communion for the divorced and remarried).

    But by giving Bishops the power to annul, surely Francis will (in countries like Germany) have opened the annulment floodgates and so people who do decide to leave a marriage for another will indeed be able to receive communion having gone through this new process?

    Chillingly, another quote in the link in this post suggests Bishops could even delegate annulments to priests.

    • Gabriel Syme,

      A word of warning/advice. NEVER trust the writings of Father Lucie-Smith. He’s a “liberal” to his finger tips. He NEVER gets it right – manages to appear orthodox (at a superficial reading) but he is far from being so – sadly.

      • Thanks Editor – I should probably know better than to look at the Catholic Herald anyway!

        I posted a comment (similar to my one above, about the German plans succeeding in a roundabout way) on the Herald article.

        Another commentator is claiming this is a “traditional” move because the Bishop is returning to head the tribunals!?

        If there is strict guidance issued regarding what constitues an annulment, then abuse of the system may be limited, but I would still expect the figures to sky-rocket.

        • Gabriel Syme,

          There’s no harm in taking a look at the Catholic Herald and ilk, just to keep an eye on what they’re up to, but I wouldn’t consider any of their writers thoroughly orthodox, because if they were, they wouldn’t be writing for any Catholic newspaper today! Get it? In other words, as they say in the “we think outside the box” circles, we need to read “smartly” 😀

  122. When it comes to the utterances of those tools of satan, the Western political elite, and the deluge of antichrist puke constantly coming from the relentless propagators of cultural Marxism in the mainstream mass media, a policy of extreme scepticism is both justified and wise, indeed all but essential, if a properly informed opinion is desirable. The groupthink gets worse by the day.

    Andrew Paterson’s and Christina’s posts further up the thread reminded me of a blog that I skim from time to time. It isn’t a religious blog as such, and readers here may need to exercise discretion and judgement at times, but it’s fair to say that from what I recall, in large part, the much needed defence of Christian Civilisation is given a boost. While the blog deals with French news, the lessons apply across the West. The regular updates on the ongoing squabbles between members of the Le Pen family and other political stories may not be of interest to everyone, but much of the content offers a very welcome and informative alternative to the Alinsky-spirited agitprop drivel that passes for mainstream news and journalism across lands whose culture is rooted in Christian civilisation.

    http://galliawatch.blogspot.ie/

    Andrew raised the issue of the tragic death of a toddler, and photographs that appeared across the media amid a chorus of emotive, and if the story in this link is to be believed, extremely exploitative, if not downright cynical cries aimed at exerting irresistible pressure on public opinion.

    The following quoted words from the Gallia Watch blog on the subject of the tragic drowning of the young child comes from the work of a French journalist, and make the “welcome alternative” point in spades. “Putting a different spin” doesn’t even begin to describe matters.

    “The family of the child found dead on a beach in Turkey had been in Turkey for three years.

    – The father wanted to take advantage of the current exodus to go to Europe for dental work.

    – He is the only survivor because he was the only one with a life jacket: in Islam, women and children are a negligible quantity.

    – The burial of the wife and children took place in the family’s home town of Kobane, in… Syria.”

    Assuming of course that the above is true, don’t expect to be given similar reports through the newsstands or TV sets that enforce public opinion and herd the “sheeple” throughout these islands.

    The Frankfurt School is very much alive and kicking for satan.

      • Thanks, Andrew.

        These pictures make the whole stunt even worse. And it’s shocking to say that this revelation isn’t shocking.

        So the staging wasn’t even down by some amoral paparazzi trying to make a name for himself, along with a few quid. The lads in the green berets obviously weren’t doing this off their own bat, for personal gain.

        Just how evil are these EU overlords of ours: Monkeys dancing for their organ grinder, the father of lies.

  123. Readers can decide for themselves the extent to which the below linked article fits in with the headline news story of these days. In fact, regardless of the current mass migration across the Mediterranean which appears to be activating a hitherto well-hidden concern for human life amongst the European ruling elite (excuse my scepticism), and granted the undoubted fact that many of those making the journey are genuine refugees fleeing from appalling persecution at the hands of enemies of Christ, the following merits attention. I don’t think cream puff “dialogue” and brandishing copies of Nostra Aetate are going to carry much weight with these buckos, whom the Pope can see without leaving his living room.

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.ie/2015/09/islamists-hunt-for-proselytes-on-st.html

    QUOTE:

    “In the weekly supplement Venerdì of the daily newspaper La Repubblica, Vaticanist Filippo Di Giacomo has written an article: ‘There is an Increasingly Stronger Presence of Islamic Prayer around St. Peter’, about which he reported on the increase of Muslims in Rome and in the streets around the Vatican.
    “Di Giacomo also reported that it is increasingly frequented by groups of men in oriental sack clothes and beards that take selfies before St. Peter’s Basilica. With one hand they hold their smartphone, with the other hand they make a victory sign. The gesture is in need of interpretation, the first thought in any case is not necessarily reassuring.
    “Di Giacomo especially described the bearded men who ask tourists and locals alike in the streets and squares around St Peter’s: ‘Do you want Allah? Do you like Allah?’ ‘

    …”’While the Vatican is discussing, the Vatican neighborhood already has the largest concentration of Islamic prayer rooms of Rome,’ said Di Giacomo.”
    END QUOTE

    Reading of these “proselytizers” brings woefully to mind the Ramadan message sent by Pope Francis to Mohammedans two years ago. In it, the Pope wrote that of “we are called to respect” the “teachings”, “symbols” and “values” of false religions. How can the relativisation of religion and indifferentism be avoided if this is to be the mentality of Catholics? What exactly does evangelisation mean according to the Conciliar mind set? Answers on a post card, please. Or maybe just on a postage stamp.

    Here are the noteworthy words of the Pope contained in that message:

    “Turning to mutual respect in interreligious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values. Particular respect is due to religious leaders and to places of worship. How painful are attacks on one or other of these! It is clear that, when we show respect for the religion of our neighbors or when we offer them our good wishes on the occasion of a religious celebration, we simply seek to share their joy, without making reference to the content of their religious convictions.”

    In saner times, Catholics would have had no need to be reminded of the words of Sacred Scripture:

    “Beware lest thou have a mind to imitate the abominations of those nations.” – Deuteronomy 18:9

    As for “respect”: well that appears to be very much a one way street. Just ask the hundreds of thousands of Christians who have been at the receiving end of depraved cruelty across Asia and Africa.

    Can I suggest that the Pope send out a message to the prowling bearded islamist selfie men in Saint Peter’s Square which contains the following words or reflects the teaching expressed therein:

    “He that honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father who sent Him.” – John 5:23

    “Let no man deceive you with vain words. For because of these things cometh the anger of God upon the children of unbelief. Be ye not therefore partakers with them.” – Ephesians 5:6

    “Therefore, they must instruct them (Muslims) in the true worship of God, which is unique to the Catholic religion.” – Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio, #6, 1832

    I think it is very well worthwhile posting a link to the magnificent, truly Catholic words of Father de Cacqueray, the Society’s then District Superior of France, written two years ago, at the time of the Pope’s message. They really should be read. The linked article also has the Holy Father’s full message.

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/dialogue-islam-our-call-alarm-2316

    • Leo,

      Thank you for those two posts. It’s just mind blowing that a Pope should encourage, with apparent enthusiasm, the worship of a false god and be happy to leave the followers of a false religion in their error, tell Catholics not to seek converts while praising the Muslims who are doing exactly that even in Rome (and around St Peter’s) itself. Truly, you couldn’t make this stuff up.

      There’s NO conception of salvation from sin and Hell now, in the ranks of the upper hierarchy – that is manifestly the case. The Church, in their understanding, is nothing more than a worldwide social club, existing only to make this world a better place (i.e. no silly divisions based on establishing God’s truth in religion and morals) and, of course, to help the poor, needy …and refugees.

      Tragic.

    • Leo, thanks for that. Another example of the enemy at work.
      As for the words of the Holy Father on respecting other religions, it is the most nonsensical baloney one can imagine. Ten seconds of joined-up thinking would utterly refute the idea.
      My religion is worshipping the tree at the bottom of the garden.
      Remember yogic flying?
      The Earth is flat (Paul Kruger, in 20th century)
      Are any of these three worthy of respect?
      It may be that adherents of certain religions are worthy of respect. It may be that certain ideologies are worthy of respect insofar as they represent a threat.
      To treat islam as a religion worthy of respect is wrong. It is the tool of Satan, surely?

      • Andrew Paterson,

        That is very well said. I agree with every word. We can’t “respect” every idea or belief on the planet, and I don’t see a lot of respect for Catholic beliefs in the media. Catholic teaching on sexuality and marriage is openly criticised, so it’s a one-way kind of “respect for all beliefs”.

      • Andrew

        “Nonsensical baloney” is spot on. Putting false beliefs on a par with Truth is nothing less an assault on reason. It’s Vatican II versus the Summa Theologica.

        As I mentioned in a post on another thread, the most succinct summary of Vatican II I have heard came from a Society priest, who described it as “human respect ‘dogmatized’”.

        As for Islam in particular, I believe Newman had some words which compared its presence in Turkey with the Antichrist.

      • At least Paul Kruger was a Christian. I believe that the only book he ever read was the Bible, and that whenever the Boers won a war against the British or the Natives, he sang a Psalm of victory. He also prayed long prayers of grace before meals. As for people who say he was racist, that’s fair enough, but he was indoctrinated in the beliefs of the Dutch Reformed Church, renowned for it’s support for Apartheid in later years, and did not know no different.

        • I did not mean to demean Oom Paul. I am stating that his beliefs in respect of asrronomy and geography may have been risible. I know of no reason why Paul Kruger should not be referred to with great respect.
          We need to clearly distinguish between a person and his beliefs, otherwise we cloud our view.

    • Thank you Leo and Andrew for your excellent posts and links concerning the reality of the current Islamic threat to Europe and Rome. I confess to having little informed knowledge of world politics, but I have a copy of the Koran, know a little about the ‘Prophet’, his ‘revelations’, life and creation of a diabolical creed, and live close to an expanding Muslim community the arrogance of which reduces the remaining original inhabitants to dhimmiude. I have felt this myself in old haunts revisited.

      If one studies Islam, even shallowly, recent events should arouse the greatest fear in any Catholic or any citizen of Europe, and again I am grateful to you for material that helps me to understand in more depth why the ‘refugee’ crisis has disturbed me so profoundly. Pope Francis’s part in this is blind and stupid or unfathomably sinister – I can’t decide which is most likely. I do see in it all the image of ‘the bishop in white’ of the Third secret of Fatima.

      • Thank you for that post, Christina.

        Certainly we all need, urgently, to get informed about islam. The present woeful ignorance among the general population is going to have to change, one way or another, if we are to avoid some sort of dhimmitude.

        The following words from Father de Cacquerey’s statement which I linked to previously, bear repetition:

        “Fr. De Foucauld, who lived in contact with the Muslims and whose love for these men knew no bounds, was always lucid in distrusting their erroneous beliefs.[1] Speaking of the Muslims of North Africa, he said:
        ‘They can fight with great courage for France, out of a sentiment of honor, a warlike character, a solidarity, a fidelity to their given word, like the mercenaries of the 16th and 17th centuries, but generally speaking, besides some exceptions, as long as they remain Muslim, they will not be French; they will wait more or less patiently for the day of the medhi, when they will drive France to submission.’”

        As for Pope Francis’ dealings with Islam, he would be very well advised to look to the example of his patron saint (see the same link mentioned above) rather the scandalous words and actions of his predecessor Pope John Paul II.

        Finally, is it just me, or does anyone else have the impression, that a shameful, silent veil has been drawn over Pope Benedict’s courageous Regensburg address. Don’t expect the dust to be blown away anytime soon. I don’t imagine the former Pope’s table is overladen with written apologies from all those commissars of political correctness who couldn’t wait to issue foam flecked denunciations nine years ago, almost to the day. And certainly not from all those Charlie people.

  124. Are there any like minded readers who just simply believe marriage is for life.Now there are some exceptions one being nobody would expect you to say with a man who was beating the living daylights out off you.In the unfortunate event my marriage would come to an end I absolutely would not seek to see whether it could be annulled I would separate but still know that I was married.Surely you go into the marriage with your eyes wide open and I accept that the church allows annulment but I agree that there will almost certainly be rising numbers in light of the popes latest gesture

    • Morgana, you are right. However, the generation of today, that is, those approaching marriagable age, say 16 -32 are faced with a barrage of tripe on the subject. There is a huge amount on the choice of wedding dresses and themed venues but very little on the reality. Marriage is a practical business and there will be tough times for all sorts of reasons. There is very little preparation for that in many cases.

      • Andrew,

        There is absolutely NO choice in the matter of wedding dresses – there has been only one style for years now. Low cut, shoulder-less, backless, ugly, unfeminine pieces of material that look ridiculous, especially when worn with a veil. The fact is that the women wearing them are – in fact – not real “brides” at all (most have been shacked up with their “partners” until the wedding day) so they’re not aware of the incongruity of their appearance.

      • I agree Andrew that marriage has become more about the big occasion and less about the actual importance off the sacrament once entered into takes a lot off hard work to see you through the tough times.Nowadays its all to easy to give up at the first hurdle.

    • Morgana,

      I know more than one person who believes marriage is for life, even though they ARE entitled to an annulment. I’m thinking of some people I’ve met who married men who did NOT believe that marriage is for life and lived accordingly, as if he was a single man, out drinking, meeting friends all the time. The women did everything in their power to make things work and, for the sake of their children, put up heroically with the situation. In the cases I know, there was no “beatings” but other issues that meant the wives had lodgers, not husbands, and this gave dreadful example to the children. Add to this mix a husband who is living as a single, selfish man, who also hates the Catholic faith and although he promised to allow the children to be raised as Catholics, makes it impossible for the mother to do so. Consider how the children love their father. Think of the confusion and the danger to their faith – the possibility that the children will leave the faith, if not right away (thanks to mother) then later on.

      In these extreme cases, I think, assuming the conditions for an annulment are met,
      given that the women thought, in good faith, that they were contracting a true marriage, where both intended to live as husband and wife, that it is acceptable to seek an annulment. I think that because, having suffered this injustice of being deceived into marriage, which is effectively what happened in the cases of which I know a little, then the women may be tempted into sin if they later meet someone else.

      In one of these cases, the husband was a gambler and the family were often left without money for food. He believed in divorce, so there was obviously deceit there, as he made his vows in bad faith. In another case I know, the husband had been blackmailed into marriage because the girl was pregnant and threatening to have an abortion if he didn’t marry her.

      So I think there are genuine cases, but funnily enough, in none of the cases I know, the person wants an annulment, even though they are all separated. I think they think it reflects badly on themselves, as if they didn’t mean to make a true marriage, which they did, and that they will cause scandal if Catholic relatives and friends see them “re-marrying”.

  125. As I said above fidelis I accept the church allows annulment and in the cases you speak about they may well fall into the criteria .You say none have sought annulment for reasons off not wanting to cause scandal.I have no problem with that.I would say my reason is slightly different in that should it ever be the case I wouldn’t want to marry again because rightly or wrongly once you have been taught marriage is for life for me that’s it.This is personal to me others may want another chance off happiness .

    • Morgana,

      With respect, I think you are missing the point. Marriage is for life, but if it is not a real marriage, that’s what the Church recognises. If someone is marrying in good faith, believing that their other half is taking their vows as seriously as you are, and then you discover that they don’t even believe in marriage, then that isn’t a true marriage. It’s a sham.

      I know of one case where the lady in question has been told she has grounds for an annulment and one of her reasons for thinking seriously about it is that she doesn’t want her children, especially her son, thinking that his experience of a husband and father is all there is. She would like to meet a solid Catholic who does believe in marriage and would help bring her children up in a good Catholic home with good example. Then they would see what a real man, a real husband and a real father actually looks like. At the same time, she doesn’t like the idea of bringing another man into the home. It’s a mess, it really is, and I’m in two minds about whether the annulment process should be simplified or scrapped altogether. Maybe the stress should be on preparation and in not allowing people who cohabit to marry in Church, but that won’t come under this “merciful” pope. His idea of mercy is to let everyone do what they want, have an easy life and forget about eternal salvation, death and judgment, heaven or hell.

  126. Morgana

    I agree wholeheartedly with you. My mother always knew herself to be married in the eyes of God, even though the law ruled otherwise; any thought of entering into another relationship was foreign to her. It’s that kind of faithfulness to Church teaching which provides such a shining example to non-Catholics that we mean what we say we believe. Marriage is for life, even when you’ve married an expletive deleted. There are, of course, genuine cases of annulment, which the Church has always taught, but they must surely be rare.

    It’s a hard teaching, of course, and we don’t like hard teachings.

  127. Thanks Therese for for your supportive comments.With respect Nicky I am not missing the point at all .I have clearly acknowledged that the church permits annulment in given circumstances.I did say that personally I felt it wouldn’t be an option I would take as I believe marriage is for life even if the situation warrants an annulment and that includes whether you were duped or not.Therese is correct it is a hard teaching

  128. I meant to add in the situation where you may have been told lies to or duped into marriage the man or the woman would clearly be unaware and therefore enter the marriage truly believing that the sacrament had been conferred.Absolutely different situation if you were forced into the marriage but I would still hold to what I was taught

  129. Everyone used to understand what was meant by the the ‘defect of intent’ being discussed here. I do think that pre-sixties and pre-That Council, defect of intent was relatively rare because priests taught the full Catholic truth concerning marriage, and society broadly accepted that couples believed that their marriage vows were a lifelong commitment. In the present climate, where marriage is devalued and degraded throughout society, and now more and more by the sayings of the Pope and hierarchy throughout the Church, defect of intent must be much more prevalent. As somebody said above, I think, the Catholic response should be thorough pre-marriage preparation – not a rush to encourage annulments, which is what will happen now.

    • Christina,

      Before Vatican II if someone got a dispensation to marry someone who was a Protestant or an unbeliever (agnostic or atheist, I presume that means) and then it was uncovered that that person didn’t take the vows seriously and didn’t keep them, would that be “defect of intent” and would it entitle the Catholic who married in good faith, to have an annulment?

      In the pamphlets on annulment which I’ve read (quite a long time ago, I admit) it gave a list of things that maybe would be grounds for annulment and one of them was if one of the partners believed in divorce.

      • Fidelis, there are two bits mixed up there I think, though it might be me mixed up😕. Permission cannot be given for a Catholic to marry an unbaptised person, which I presume an agnostic or atheist to be. Such a marriage would be invalid. Baptised persons who can otherwise validly marry, do not do so if they lack the intention to enter into a lifelong exclusive union, open to reproduction. So yes, if one or both parties did not take the vows seriously, the marriage would be invalid. If one partner believed in divorce then clearly he/she would not intend to enter into a lifelong union.

  130. Is anyone aware of the details regarding what seems to be a reorganisation of the SSPX structure in the UK? I know Fr Brucciani has taken over as Superior, as was planned, but there seems to be additional changes afoot:

    (I am sure the priests would announce any changes in due course, but I am a nosey blighter and keen to find out!).

    From the website, it looks as though the preston priory is now defunct, and so Fr Vandendaele is moved to the Carluke priory, joining Frs McLaughlin and Wingerden.

    I wonder then how the Liverpool and Preston Churches will be served? Maybe one of the Carluke priests will travel south weekly to provide the masses there? That would leave two priests to fulfill Carluke’s existing duties (as is normal) and mean each priest only had to travel every third week.

    It would be good if Scotland had ‘bagged’ Fr Vandendaele! I once attended a mass of his in Liverpool, this time last year.

    Poor Fr Pazat seems now to be holding the fort in Bristol alone, perhaps helped from London or St Michaels? (these locations have 3 priests each). Either way, it would be good if the district could see its roster grow, especially in light of recent events.

    http://sspx.co.uk/page_priests.htm

    • Gabriel This was announced a few weeks ago.  Fr Van is now in Carluke and one priest will travel south every weekend.

      Sent from my Samsung device

      • Thanks Petrus – one Sunday recently I was not at St Andrews so I guess it was that week when announced!

        I thought I had a “scoop” there, when I saw the change on the website haha 😛

  131. N O T I C E . . .

    This thread is overdue for closure – it’s passed the 500 limit. Sorry for my tardiness but I’ve been truly swamped these past few days, weeks… come to think of it, this has been a very busy century!

    Thanks to everyone who used this thread to alert us to news and/or update us. General Discussion (9) is now open so if you want to be first to comment, click here.

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