Happy Easter Everyone… & Stuff…

As well as affording us the opportunity to post Easter greetings, this thread is also a “catch all” – feel free to post comments on anything we would have discussed last week, but for the holiday. And the usual rule applies in a free-for-all thread like this – good clean fun, jokes and stories, welcome… which reminds me of the boy who asked his father why we paint Easter eggs.  Reply: Because it’s easier than trying to wallpaper them!

Happy Easter everyone!

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  1. Happy Easter fellow Christians. Let this time be a great renewal in our hearts, a springtime in our efforts to love God and His Mother, and defend their Church.
    God bless you all and may Christ strengthen our resolve to preserve and persevere in these times.

  2. Over the weekend I was speaking to a few people regarding the open heresy infecting the Church at every level and then I have to remind myself to keep things in perspective (desperate though it may be) and remind myself that we will always be called upon to hold to the Truth and every generation will have its own heresies to combat.

    This from the Traditional Rule of St. Dominic… Heresy is a many-headed monster, which, though
    eyer beaten, is ever found to rise again with recovered life, if it be not vigorously attacked. The
    Blessed St. Dominic having laboured for ten years in combating that of the Albigenses, saw with
    sorrow, in his journeys through France, Italy, and Spain, an immense number of heretics, who, not
    content with spreading their errors, and drawing over all whom they were able to infect, had
    arrived at such an excess of impiety and avarice, that they dared even to despoil the Church itself,
    and to appropriate its property to their own sacrilegious uses; to use violence against those who
    were consecrated to God, and to establish their pestilential errors by the shedding of Christian
    blood.

    Sound relevant?

  3. Probably been discussed before on here (what hasn’t?) but first time I have seen this. The Pope calling a heretic a Bishop.

    Madness.

    • Summa,

      We’ve discussed this man before and his high place in the Pope’s esteem. I just hope his sudden death in a motorcycle accident made Pope Francis think again.

  4. I wish you all a holy and happy Easter!
    Gaude et laetare, Virgo Maria, alleluia!
    – Quia surrexit Dominus vere, alleluia!

    • Thank you Lionel, and others. I hope you’ve all had a really enjoyable Easter Sunday.

      I’m planning to launch a new thread tomorrow, but not sure of topic. If anyone has any burning issues they’d like aired, post the idea here and we will, as ever, aim to be of service.

      • Ed

        I’ve often wondered how or when Masses offered for the repose of someone’s soul gets said.

        Is it possible to have a short discussion on this to enlighten me?

        • Frankier,

          Since this is something you have raised before and which clearly bothers you, I decided to ring a priest friend to ask him. This is his reply:

          It is quite usual to have a number of deaths at the same time. Each one brings quite a few, if not a large number, of Mass requests. Not very long ago, he had nineteen funerals in the same week. He received lots of Mass cards for each one – he said to average it around 40 Mass card per deceased soul. He could only begin to offer the Masses, and keep going until he has offered them all.

          When I said you had once before mentioned that you would like to know the day and time etc of the Mass you were having offered, he said that would be impossible – there could easily be a funeral having to take place that particular day or a wedding. It would be exceptional to be able to identify a particular Mass for a particular soul, and guarantee it. He may say that your requested Mass will be next Tuesday, going by his list so far, but then someone die and he needs to make that Mass for the deceased. Imagine if everyone at those nineteen funerals had asked to know the precise day and time of the Mass they’d requested – Father would be unable to take weddings or funerals until he had complied with those requests.

          I hope that makes it clearer for you – it’s just as I imagined it. Priests offer the Masses requested as soon as possible, and that’s really all they can do.

          I hope that helps. Father was glad to be of assistance and assures us that priests take the matter of Masses for the deceased very seriously and offer them as soon as is physically possible.

          • Ed

            I am really sorry I asked such a useless, stupid question. I thought I would try and get the ball rolling as you suggested. Silly, silly me.

            I may elaborate later but, like your priest friend, I am too busy at the moment.

            Please forgive me for wasting your time although that`s what silly people are any use for I suppose.

            • Frankier,

              I can’t see how you can take offence at editor’s reply to your question. I found it helpful – why are you annoyed? She didn’t say your question was useful or stupid. I think it was a good question, and she must have as well or she wouldn’t have bothered to ask a priest, so why are you annoyed?

            • “I may elaborate later but, like your priest friend, I am too busy at the moment.”

              Are you seriously suggesting that a priest with 19 deaths in his parish in one week is pretending to be busy?

              Happy Easter, folks.

            • Frankier,

              I don’t think the question was stupid at all, and like Michaela, I found Editor’s answer helpful, because I have wondered that myself.

            • Frankier,

              I have just re-read your original post and you are correct – you merely asked to have a discussion on the subject to “enlighten you”. I read it too quickly, as I am inclined to do, and thought you were looking for an answer to the question, which you have posed before, about when priests offer Masses people ask to have offered for the deceased. If I remember correctly, you said in one of your original comments that you would like to know when that Mass was to be offered so you could attend if possible. I thought it would be helpful to ask a priest, so that I could answer you properly myself. I apologise profusely. No offence intended. I’ll leave your questions to others in future, to avoid such possible misunderstandings, since I’m sure I’ve done this before. Unintended, I assure you, but sincere apologies, in any case.

              I would ask you, though, to not think uncharitably about the priest who was very kind and willing to explain why it’s not possible to give precise dates and times for everyone to let them know when the Mass will be offered, even to allow them to attend the Masses they request for deceased relatives and friends. He didn’t say he was “too busy at the moment” to answer my enquiry and – as I think his explanation makes crystal clear – it’s not about being “too busy” to give precise times for offering Masses so that relatives and friends can attend, it’s about the practicalities. I am astonished that you cannot, it seems, grasp this. I can just imagine my reaction if, when I recently approached our priest to arrange my mother’s funeral, he’d said “well, can’t be Thursday because I promised Frankier I’d say Mass for his friend/relative – funeral was last week and he wants to attend the Mass I’m offering…” They’d have heard me in Aberdeen, believe me! I would have said: “Father, I don’t think I’ve heard anything more ridiculous in my entire life. We can’t have our family funeral because some guy wants to be present at a Mass for someone already buried? Are you kidding me?”

              However, the priest I rang didn’t make any nasty comments at all, he didn’t say he thought it a stupid or useless question, but went straight into explaining about the volume of Masses requested and the practical problems and so on.

              Nor did I think uncharitably about your question when I decided to take a few minutes to make the call – it only meant delaying my departure to visit relatives for lunch by a few minutes – no trouble.

              However, your reaction to my post giving the priest’s ANSWER to the question is something else. THAT really DOES take the biscuit. Instead of a simple “thank you for taking the trouble to ask the priest” and/or “that makes sense – thanks for that… Easter egg in the post”…I get what they call, what-for !

              Happy Easter, Frankier. A very happy Easter to you and yours.

              • Ed

                I have just got around to reading your comments in reply to my statement… “I`ve often wondered how or when Masses offered for the repose of someone`s soul gets said.”

                I really don`t see the reason why you should have made it bother you so much, it was a simple question which should have got a simple answer from your priest friend.

                While I don`t dispute the fact that he had the nineteen funeral services to carry out I don`t really see how that answers my question, unless the answer is that someone like him would be too busy to offer up the Masses at any time. Anyway, I don`t see why the subject of when a priest could actually promise to say the Mass at a particular time cropped up. That wasn`t the question.

                The old story used to be that the money was sent to the Missions to have them said but I always felt that the missionaries would have had enough on their plates dealing with their own parishioners.

                Now before I go any further I would wish to make it clear that I am not accusing anyone of fraud here. End of.

                In the past I used to ask the priest if he COULD tell me when the Mass COULD be offered for a person`s soul, for the simple reason that I would wish to attend the Mass rather than just throw the card onto a coffin or, as I have experienced in St Kentigern`s, into a grave.

                Most times I was told when the Mass would be offered with the proviso that it may have to be changed if something else cropped up. Being an understanding type I accepted that without arguing for my civil or human rights.

                Nowadays I would normally send to Knock to have a Mass offered for the Holy Souls in a person`s name or my wife would get a pre-signed card in the St Paul bookshop in Glasgow.

                The good news is that I won`t bother asking that one again.

                • Frankier

                  I’ve reread your original question and editor’s response. I don’t think editor appears “bothered” at all. Since you have asked that question more than once, she went out of her way to get a full answer for you. That’s about it. I suggest you let it drop because both your responses are quite bizarre.

                  • Petrus

                    Read editor`s reply to me on April 6 at 12:19 and ask her why she thought that an innocent question should CLEARLY (emphasis mine) bother me.

                    On second thoughts, don`t bother (that terrible word again), I`m big enough and pretty enough to ask her myself.

                    To be honest, I am utterly botherproof about anything discussed on this or any other forum. I have more important things on my plate but I still can`t understand why so many people would bother (deary me) to clique up to defend someone who is more than capable of defending herself.

                    I will admit that I only used the word bother (:)) in a nasty way because I was doing something my mother told ne never to do and that was seek revenge.

                    For that I apologise.

                    And Petrus, I suggest you drop it after you apologise to me for your use of the word bizarre.

                    • Frankier

                      Forgive me, but I. Really struggling to understand all of this. It’s really quite ridiculous to be honest.

                    • Frankier,

                      I am utterly astonished. I used the word “bother” in a literal sense, in the sense that it troubles you at some level, not meaning any harm. You have mentioned this before about Masses/when priests say them etc. so it clearly – very clearly – seems to bother you, or trouble you. That you chose to misinterpret “bother” to read into it some pejorative sense, is your problem not mine.

                      I’m glad that your mother told you never to seek revenge. Pity she didn’t also teach you that it is a sin to take offence where none is intended, and to thank those who seek to help you and to apologise when you are in the wrong. Maybe she tried to teach you these things and eventually, as I am about to do, decided to give up.

                      Now, you can reply to this if you wish but I hate, absolutely hate, having to watch my every word whether in conversation or in writing on blogs, so I have no intention of allowing you to embroil me in any more of this utter nonsense.

                      If you want to know when the priest offers Mass for your deceased friends and relatives, ask HIM, when you present him with the stipend, to explain why he can’t provide the details, don’t ask me again. I really don’t care. I’ve just arranged for Mass for a friend of mine who has just been diagnosed with a terminal illness and only expects to live for a few months. I don’t CARE when the Mass is offered, as long as it is offered. Until he departs this world, I’ll pray for him at every Mass and when God calls him I will arrange for another Mass to be offered for the repose of his soul and I won’t even wonder, for a second, when that Mass will be offered. It will be offered and that’s all that matters. My presence would make absolutely no difference whatsoever to the Mass intention.

                      Now, if you can’t debate like an adult without taking offence. I suggest you settle down with a good book and stop taking up precious space on this blog. No dramatic exits please, just disappear.

                      See folks, all those emails telling me I’m far too patient with trolls and other troublemakers have paid off. I’ve now, officially, had enough.

                • Frankier,

                  “While I don`t dispute the fact that he had the nineteen funeral services to carry out I don`t really see how that answers my question, unless the answer is that someone like him would be too busy to offer up the Masses at any time.”

                  The priest is not “too busy to offer up the Masses at any time”, the priest will offer the Mass but just not be able to say exactly when. Why can’t you see that?

                  • Fidelis,

                    Turns out this whole carry on is because I used the word “bother” in my initial response. I used it totally innocently – celebrities have used the F word without causing half as much offence. Crazy stuff. Leave it now, answer no more posts on this subject, as it’s not worth the cyberspace upon which it’s written if you get my drift.

      • Editor – I think a new thread to start (though not a burning issue) would be on how families celebrate Catholic Custom in their lives – but predominantly how they maintain a cultural link (other than through the liturgy) to the Fathers in our homes. That is, Easter lilies, Advent wreaths, Our Saint’s Feast Name Day, hot cross buns, fasting, the sign of the cross in public etc etc.

      • How about a thread on Catholic Tradition outside of the Liturgy? How we maintain a link with tradition in our homes and lives?

        Lex vivendi.

        Advent wreaths, Name Day Feasts, Chalking our Homes, Pretzels, Easter pastry, lilies, hares, etc etc

        • Summa,

          Your first suggestion went into SPAM – no reason that I can see – and I’ve just seen/released it.

          That’s a good suggestion and is something we have discussed before.

          Perhaps, though, since I’m now late for an appointment, I’ll leave posting a new thread for today, and we could use the rest of this thread to discuss your suggested topic, given that you made the mistake of mentioning Hot Cross buns so that links with the Easter thread. And I can kick start it by telling the world that I make sure I link with that particular tradition as often as possible during Lent! I love them!

          I wonder, though, about making the sign of the cross in public.

          I do this in restaurants and cafes when on my own now (didn’t always – I sometimes wonder about being “showy” and since the main thing is to pray, which we can interiorly, it took me a while to come round to seeing that there is value in the public witness which is perhaps more important that the fear of drawing attention to myself.)

          However, when I’m with someone else who may not be practising or not publicly make the sign of the cross in a restaurant/café, I wonder about embarrassing them – not sure if this is my saintly concern for others or simply human respect – so I sometimes make a small cross with my right hand thumb on my forehead.

          Am I wrong to do that? Would it be better/more courageous to openly make the proper sign of the cross, whether they are bothered by it or not?

          • Hi Editor
            We made a decision to just profess our Faith in public. So for a good while now at restaurants etc we say Grace before and after. We don’t make a drama about it, but just quietly but not timidly say our prayers. We make the sign of the Cross passing graveyards, Churches etc.

            We are having a meal with friends this week in their home, so we will just quietly say Grace individually before and after.

            I think (I admit it is hard because this secular liberal society is conditioning us and winning) that we must do this for Jesus, when we consider not only his Divinity as our Master, but because of His Passion.

            • Summa,

              But what do you mean by “quietly”? Will you make the sign of the Cross in your friends’ home, even if they are non-Catholic or non-practising? It’s not praying the Grace that is the issue – it’s the “public sign” bit!

              And do you make the sign of the Cross and pray “grace before meals” if you are NOT having a meal? I know at least three people who make the sign of the Cross if they are having a cup of tea in a public place. Do you do that, as well? I have to confess that I don’t. I’m a fundamentalist in that regard – Grace before meals means Grace before meals, not Grace before snacks! I hope that my morning offering covers all those cuppas, to be counted among the “joys” I’ve offered up in the morning!

              • Well I mean, not to do it with Pride. Not to be showy. To concentrate on the prayer and not on the external.

                I will make the sign of the cross at my friends, yes.

                We also say Grace before snacks, but generally as this is not as a family, we say it individually. Sometimes we forget!

                I also have my personal email address’ avatar as an SSPX two hearts symbol. So that goes out to all who I communicate with. I just hope that someone my wonder what it is or might ask me about it. None have yet!

                We also dress conservatively and shun fashion like the plague. So for both the girls and us boys that means modesty inn dress.

                I’m still a terrible sinner but these things are little ways that I can please Our Lord.

                • Summa,

                  I agree it’s good to say Grace with public sign of the cross (although it would never occur to me to do that if I was only having a coffee!) but I am not sure what you mean by “shun fashion”. I only shun immodest fashions – I think it’s important for us to be as normal as possible and not dress like ancients.

                  • Michaela
                    I’m not suggesting anyone walk around in hair cloth sacks. I do think that being caught up in the whims of fashion is a terrible trap to fall into: whether that be clothes or cars. It is a sure sign that one is of the world rather than in the world. I suppose one way you could put it, is to consider whether people generally are concerned about what people think about their style of car or brand of training shoe or jumper. Men with hair straighteners and the likes.
                    The world is mad! The West is full of effeminate pansies.

              • Editor,

                That’s a tough one Will you make the sign of the Cross in your friends’ home, even if they are non-Catholic or non-practising?

                And I hope that my morning offering covers all those cuppas, to be counted among the “joys” I’ve offered up in the morning! What a lovely insight you’ve given me…..I will have a lot of ‘joys’ to offer up 😀

          • Editor,

            I think it would be the better and definitely the more courageous thing as well, to make the sign of the cross openly in public, provided you don’t also whip out the aspergillum and censer! 😀

            As for worrying about offending/embarrassing the non practising Catholics – who knows, maybe a little embarrassment now might help them later on.

            • Jobstears,

              I have, more than once, witnessed the acute embarrassment of a friend when I’ve made the sign of the Cross at lunch. Even saying in advance that I try to pray Grace when possible, hope you don’t mind, it’s very clear, sometimes, that “mind” they do.

              As for “courageous thing to do” – I don’t really require courage to do anything: it’s in my nature to say and do what I think needs to be said and done. No virtue required.

              I just wonder, sometimes, about the correct application of the virtue of prudence in cases like this where perhaps some sensitivity is required. There’s nobody who dines with me, who is in any doubt about my religious beliefs. So, I doubt if a public Grace Before Meals will be like a bolt out of the blue to any of them. Still, as you say, possibly in the future it will help them in some way. Pity about the rushed lunch and “I have another appointment”! (I am exaggerating, of course … but only just… 😀 )

              • I have to say that I pray Grace before every meal whether privately or public and I do so openly. I’ve often said to my children: ” if you deny me (Our Lord) before men, I will deny you before My Father in Heaven”. That sorts them out!

                • Crofterlady,

                  I don’t always say Grace publicly. I don’t think of it as denying Our Lord before men. Some people are shy about these things by nature and would prefer to say their grace quietly in their souls. I don’t think God minds that at all. I definitely don’t think we’ll be barred from heaven for not saying a public grace which is what is suggested by “I will deny you before my father in heaven.” It’s not a mortal sin not to say grace, let alone not to say it in public.

                  • Take Up Your Cross

                    But Our Lord said……to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me Matthew 16:24

                    and

                    Fight the good fight of faith: lay hold on eternal life, where unto thou art called, and hast confessed a good confession before many witnesses. 1 Timothy 6

                    • Summa,

                      It’s not “a cross” to pray Grace, surely? Let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill. Would you believe, I sometimes FORGET to pray Grace?

                      In these matters, which are not major matters of dogma, it’s always wiser to allow each person to “follow their own grace”.

                      More often than not, I make the sign of the cross and pray Grace. Not always. I won’t end up in Hell as a result, so there is no reason to worry about it. It’s a failing to make dogmas out of everything.

                      I remember some years ago, a journey I made from my then home (in England) into town, took me past a cemetery. On one occasion, I had a friend in the passenger seat and he always blessed himself twice when passing the cemetery. Eventually, I asked him why he was blessing himself twice. His reply: “Because you don’t bless yourself at all…” !

                      So, anyone who thinks it’s a major issue might think about saying more than one Grace before and after meals, to make reparation for those who never do, or for the absent minded like myself who sometimes are so busy nattering that they forget.

                    • Editor
                      It’s not “a cross” to pray Grace, surely?

                      Well, yes and no.

                      For many people it would be too embarrassing to say grace and make a sign of the cross in public situations, especially when you are isolated in doing so. I know this, as I feel quite self conscious when doing so but do it anyway as I know I should be doing it. Practice what you preach and all that.

                      For others it might be much easier and therefore not a cross.

                      I think it’s important to remember that our crosses need not be huge ones in our everyday lives, as even the small acts that are easier not to do (out of embarrassment for example) can be the little crosses that please Our Lord.

                    • Summa,

                      I see what you mean. For some people it would, indeed, be a bit of an ordeal. I’m not sure whether it’s a blessing or not, but my own nature is not to give a toss what anyone thinks, so I tend to say and do what I consider right and necessary on my own account.

                      I do, as already intimated, sometimes opt for an interior Grace with small cross traced on my forehead, if I think I may embarrass anyone else in the company, because while I’m willing to carry my own cross, with God’s help, I don’t want to be creating someone else’s cross (!) but it’s better than the other system I’ve witnessed in restaurants – people holding hands and thanking God for the food, the friendship, blah blah. NOT my cup of tea, so to speak!

                      I keep meaning to say that I think it’s wonderful for you, as a parent, to be teaching your family the custom of praying Grace in public. You are to be warmly commended for that, and it is impressive to witness children praying Grace. My own nephews make me very proud when we’re out (especially in MacDonald’s, full of youngsters) and they openly make the sign of the Cross and say Grace. Not only do they signal their disapproval of my having to be reminded, but even when I do remember, they are appalled that I forget to add the “Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us” which they are in the habit of adding at the end… Honestly, I can’t do right for doing wrong!

  5. This too is a belated Happy Easter wish to all bloggers. My Easter was made immesurably happier by the inclusion on this website of the marvellous version of Regina Coeli sung by Pope Benedict. Thanks to the Editor for finding it and including it.

  6. To all those who have the desire to be making the sign of the cross in public here in Scotland should ensure that no one in their company is going to or coming from a football match.

    Ensure also that there are no televisions in the establishment showing such a game

    It just needs someone to complain and everyone at the table can be charged under the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act 2012 and even Archbishop Tartaglia, despite his Italian name, wouldn`t get you off at court.

    Always remember these rules when eating out in the friendly wee Bonnie Scotland of the 21st century.

    And by the way, the person who complains doesn`t even need to know whether or not it is carried out
    with a sectarian or religious intent. Their being annoyed is enough.

  7. I forgot to say.

    Rugby, or any other sport for that matter, is outwith this barbarian law.

    You can even get away with kissing someone of your own sex and get an applause..

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